GC: What are "sex-based" rights?

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[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Wow, all this time....all natal females had to do to avoid being oppressed was dress differently. Too bad we were apparently too stupid to figure that out.

That's not what I said. Gender presentation =/= dress. Gender presentation is your skin, your voice, amount of facial hair, etc. Whatever sex you pass as and are perceived as. Unless you are trans, it's unreasonable to expect you to change your appearance to appear a different sex. I experienced sexism as a cis woman, and my solution is to fight sexism, not to change my appearance.

Most trans men transition due to dysphoria, not to escape sexism. Many trans men say that themselves.

Feminist Trans Men & the Narrative of Internalized Misogyny

I want to die... confused, scared, am I manipulating myself?

The idea that trans men are “lesbians in denial” is demeaning and wrong

[–]MarkTwainiac 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I experienced sexism as a cis woman, and my solution is to fight sexism, not to change my appearance.

Could've fooled me! Sorry, Genderbender, but the views you've expressed in your posting history come across as extremely sexist. As outrageously sexist, in fact.

The views you have expressed also give the very strong impression that you have deep-seated dislike of, disdain for, and animus towards girls and women - and that you want to create a world in which no one will be allowed any rights and accommodations that take sex into account.

Your way of "fighting sexism" seems to be to deny that sex matters - or when you do acknowledge that sex is real and does sometimes matter, your tack is to minimize how much it matters and to gloss over and refuse to see or address most of the RL situations in which it matters. Frankly, your views frighten me.

Gender presentation is your skin, your voice, amount of facial hair, etc. Whatever sex you pass as and are perceived as.

How can a female human fetus change its skin, voice, amount of facial hair etc so as to "pass as" and be "perceived as" male and thus escape being subjected to sex-selective abortion on account of being female? How can a fetus change its voice or amount of facial hair when fetuses can't speak and don't have facial hair?

Please share the ways you've found that are successful in hiding fetal sex from sonogram machines and genetic screening.

By your misogynistic, reeking-of-privilege, elitist "reasoning," girls in Africa wouldn't be subjected to FGM if only they had the prescience and intelligence to wear fake beards and mustaches, and to lower their voices when they scream.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Could've fooled me! Sorry, Genderbender, but the views you've expressed in your posting history come across as extremely sexist. As outrageously sexist, in fact.

It makes sense you see my posts that way because you're GC. Most mainstream feminist subreddits and other feminist and social justice groups see gender critical posts as outrageously sexist.

Your way of "fighting sexism" seems to be to deny that sex matters - or when you do acknowledge that sex is real and does sometimes matter, your tack is to minimize how much it matters and to gloss over and refuse to see or address most of the RL situations in which it matters. Frankly, your views frighten me.

I believe sex matters in terms of biological functions, for instance abortion rights and menstrual pad access. However I otherwise don't believe sex matters. For instance I think restrooms and changing rooms should be gender neutral. How do my views frighten you? I'm not in any position of power and GCs say most people agree with them.

How can a female human fetus change its skin, voice, amount of facial hair etc so as to "pass as" and be "perceived as" male and thus escape being subjected to sex-selective abortion on account of being female? How can a fetus change its voice or amount of facial hair when fetuses can't speak and don't have facial hair?

Please share the ways you've found that are successful in hiding fetal sex from sonogram machines and genetic screening.

Lol fetuses can't change their gender. You do that when you're older.

By your misogynistic, reeking-of-privilege, elitist "reasoning," girls in Africa wouldn't be subjected to FGM if only they had the prescience and intelligence to wear fake beards and mustaches, and to lower their voices when they scream.

That's not what I said. I said although people AFAB are mostly treated like men, they will still be subject to issues specific fo people AFAB.

[–]adungitit 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Most mainstream feminist subreddits and other feminist and social justice groups see gender critical posts as outrageously sexist.

Men also think feminism is a sexist matriarchal movement advocating male genocide. People being stupid and ignorant doesn't really say much beyond the fact that they're stupid and ignorant. Liberal feminism and trans activism has continuously failed to argue their points without advocating patriarchal ideology. You can see this play out numerous times on this very sub. Just saying that a group is "sexist" because it gets men's dicks angry doesn't mean a thing. Can you actually prove it? There has yet to be a single trans activist that's been up to the task and capable of forming arguments beyond "Transwomen are women because I say so". The reasons why trans activism and liberal feminism go against female rights have been continuously explained by GC, and trans activism has never been able to even attempt to disprove any of it.

I believe sex matters in terms of biological functions, for instance abortion rights and menstrual pad access.

So...you acknowledge the reality of women's biology...but women themselves are a figment of imagination? How do you work with this level of cognitive dissonance? It's like saying "I acknowledge human biology, but I don't think humans are real"

I think restrooms and changing rooms should be gender neutral.

And the threat of male violence, assault and harassment that they exist in the first place to protect women from are just...what? Going to be whisked away if women stop being so exclusionary towards men?

Wait, are you the same person who's continuously lied about the reality of violence and harassment that women face at the hands of men even after being given copious evidence proving you wrong?

fetuses can't change their gender.

Why?

I said although people AFAB are mostly treated like men, they will still be subject to issues specific fo people AFAB.

And why do you think that is? Who do you think made it so that "AFAB" people don't have penises and need sanitary pads for their periods? The TERFs? The patriarchy? Cis women?