QT, if gender is innate to identity

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[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

No one can be just "gynephilic"

Pretty sure gynephilic as a term basically means attraction to women and was not a term invented by Blanchardianism. It is describing regular sexuality.

And sexuality is not paraphilia.

The theory of Blanchardianism says that autogynephilia is an inverted sexuality. That's it's basic idea. That's the theory of what it is.

Lesbians are attracted to females, not to femininity. "Lesbians attracted to femininity" is one of main ideas behind state homophobia, and main idea of TRA arguments. And obviously it is not true, because lesbians are loving butch women/females, lipstick women/females and in general any kinds of women/females.

I can't really see that being strictly true. Yes lesbians do love butch women. But lesbians compared to straight women are far more likely to be sexually attracted to femininity that straight women. Even if you can find an example of straight women attracted to femininity. We are describing patterns.

Autogynephilia is impossible in women, same as autoandrophilia is impossible in men. Imagioning yourself as woman while being a woman, and imagining yourself as man while being a man - is not strange and is normal. When watching romance or porn and imagining yourself on a place of a person of your own sex is not something strange either. There are cases when person is aroused from their own body and from themself - it happens very rarely, and I don't remember how it called (gender identity crowd is calling it "autosexuality", but obviously it is not a sexuality, and word "autosexual" means masturbation or sex act on your own, not attraction to yourself). Women can be autoandrophilic and men can be autogynephilic.

I mean it really does seem to be something people do.

I think there are different aspects to sexuality. I don't think erotic dressers are completely comparable to women, but I don't think it's a million miles either. I don't think straight men and lesbians necessarily have the exact same sexuality but I think it's likely triggered by the same natural desire, for comparison.

Sexuality is not an identity.

I don't know what you mean by that. Sexuality is part of someone's identity. What else would it be?

Previously majority of transitions were homosexual men. Later (around late 70s) around half of transitions became heterosexual men. Nowadays homosexual men are very small minority among transgender people. Only demographics where majority of transitioners are homosexual - are kids and teens, but anyone older is mostly heterosexual men or women. It is not strange that in research made in 80s with collected info from 70s - homosexual men are big percentage of those transsexuals. Especially considering that those times were very homophobic, and pretending to be opposite sex was almost the only way for homosexual people to openly live together.

By percentage of the population "HSTS" are over represented.

Which is mostly because of how society see them and because they are already "non-conforming" in at least one thing - sexuality. For lesbians it is also some sort of freedom, as there no need to be pretty for men and conform to stereotypes to have chances to find someone. Same with women who decided to be child free or to never marry - they are similarly (or even more often) are gender non-conforming, because "conforming to feminine gender" is exhausting and what most women do not like, as it takes a lot of effort, time, money and it hurts both physical and mental health. Outliers are very often gender non-conforming.

It really depends on what you mean by non conformity. Flagging femininity does not always an all consuming activity.

What does this say about straight gnc women? Are you saying men can't find gnc women attractive? Are you saying lesbians don't find feminine women attractive?

We are long past the idea that not marrying is not gender conforming. We've had gay marriage for years now here in Europe.

I think gnc behaviour is more likely innate. It's one of the reasons for tolerance. Forcing men and women to conform is pointless and makes then unhappy. It's not a burden on the rest of society to have masculine women or feminine men.

[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We are long past the idea that not marrying is not gender conforming.

Also, historically in countries like the US, there was always a small but significant number of women who never married. For example, in the US from 1890-1940, the percentage of women over age 35 who had never married remained pretty steady at 8-10%. The % started dropping in the late 1940s through the 1970s.

The time when the proportion of women 35+ who had never married in the US was lowest was 1980.

In all of the 20th century, the time when the proportion of women over who 35 had never married was highest was in 1920. Only in 2010 did the proportion of never married women over 35 reach the same level - 10% - as it had been in 1920.

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/working-papers/2012/demo/sehsd-wp2012-12_presentation.pdf

In the baby boom era & cultural milieu (Roman Catholic) I grew up in, it wasn't at all uncommon for women to choose never to marry. Lots of Catholic girls & women became nuns (my own father had his heart broken in 1939 when his HS GF informed him she was dumping him to enter a convent). Other women lived as "spinsters" or with women in "Boston marriages." In my own family, there were a number of women on both sides in the 19th & 20th centuries who never married. Some entered religious orders, but most were "maiden aunts."

When I was growing up in the 50s & 60s, my parents also counted a number of never-married women (& men) in their social circle & I had "lay" teachers who never married. Nobody thought anything of it. Some people back then were simply said to be "not the marrying kind." Sometimes this was code for gay or lesbian, but it also communicated to me & other kids that marriage isn't for everyone - & that's perfectly fine & "normal."