Both: Are sexual stereotypes about men and women in the bedroom true?

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[–]anxietyaccount8 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

Absolutely not.

Neither GC nor QT traditionally thinks that.

[–]worried19[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I know GC doesn't, but lots of QT people seem to.

The younger generation seems very corrupted by this mindset.

[–]anxietyaccount8 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I think there are some who have said shocking or attention-seeking things (like those social media posters who go "sissy porn made me trans, and I know TERFs are pissed") but even they have their nuances.

I think the view "if a woman isn't submissive, sweet and feminine then she's abnormal/has a hormone imbalance/etc" is so extreme that most QT don't believe it. That's something that conservatives and "race realists" think. I've never seen someone QT in the old Reddit sub say that.

[–]worried19[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It seems like more of a generational thing rather than something specifically linked to QT. I don't think most liberal feminists take it to the extreme of saying that non-submissive women are abnormal, though.

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

I agree both GC and QT traditionally espouse absolute gender equality in theory.

In practice I think most straight GC and QT advocating people act on gender norms to some degree in regards to sexual behaviour and fantasy.

[–]ZveroboyAlinaIs clownfish a clown or a fish? 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

In many cases QT are relying on those stereotypes to be true.

I saw more than dozen 50+ years old new-wave bisexual TW who transitioned "because I like being more submissive" and "womanhood is defined by wanting to be penetrated". Many QT disagree with it, but not all and some are relying solely on it.

Even in this sub such topic was raised recently, where one pro-qt said something similar. Thread was deleted, thought.

Or things like that: https://saidit.net/s/GCdebatesQT/comments/833q/all_gender_critical_feminists_care_about_is/

It was deleted, but you can see quotes from there.

[–]worried19[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In practice I think most straight GC and QT advocating people act on gender norms to some degree in regards to sexual behaviour and fantasy

I have never once seen a GC person advocate for that. Can you point to an example? Or maybe I'm reading that sentence wrong. Do you mean they act on gender norms without advocating for them?

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 3 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

I expect trans people to be more gender conforming to the opposite sex norms "stereotypes" than non trans cis people.

I don't think stereotypes is a good word for it.

I don't think most straight GC people want to abolish those norms. Some do. OP thinks masculinity is the norm and femininity shouldn't be a thing.