Both: In light of recent events. In what context is Voyeurism and Indecent Exposure acceptable? Is there a rational justification for making an exception for males who claim to be women?

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[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Transwomen are men. Your personal definition of men and women does not change what males and females are. Man refers to adult human male, woman refers to adult human female.

All transwomen are adult human males, ergo, men. What subjective values you choose to place on these definitions is up to you, but don’t expect the rest of us to follow your personal language.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (9 children)

It’s not my personal language. Lots of people include trans women in their definition or women. It’s definitionally jot personal because many people use it.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Lots of men choosing to misrepresent their sex doesn’t change the definition either.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (7 children)

Language is a collective act so a bunch of people using a new definition does change the language. That’s how language works.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Language is used to convey particular ideas. Language that is bastardised to mean multiple, contradictory things is just noise.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 7 fun2 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 7 fun -  (5 children)

I’m not having the language philosophy discussion again.

[–]ZveroboyAlinaIs clownfish a clown or a fish? 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It is not philosophy, it is what language is and why languages were created in the first place - to communicate and explain different experience of different people to each other, that is why words meanings should mean the same for everyone. Only time when word meaning are changed to mean something else than for majority - is done in cults. Are you cultist?

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

Language is constantly evolving. As use changes so do definitions and words. It’s not even controversial. That’s just language.

[–]ZveroboyAlinaIs clownfish a clown or a fish? 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Indeed, but this is not evolution of language. When language is changing - old phenomena are not dissapearing, there are still words for them. Most often new phenomena are getting new word instead. So if language would evolve like that, then instead of word "woman" we'd have some new word which would be combining both women and transwomen together, while old word either stayed or meaning of old word would go to some new word too. While now word for half of a population and for sexes is dissapearing, and only in western world in post-modernistic way.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

Meanings of established words also change. Look at awesome for instance. It originally meant so great as to be terrifying. Now it basically just means cool.