Both: In light of recent events. In what context is Voyeurism and Indecent Exposure acceptable? Is there a rational justification for making an exception for males who claim to be women?

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[–]loveSloaneDebate King 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

If “enough” did, there’d be no TW walking around regardless of what public spaces you occupy. If that many men get that aggressive, upset and violent just over your presence, they’d kill each and every one of you, or at least infinitely more attacks and murders would occur. The fact is, the vast majority of men dgaf, they may make ignorant even hurtful comments about TW or not be open to dating you, but they don’t want to actively cause you harm.

And no amount of you basically saying “yeah huh they do! It’s impossible to prove and data shows otherwise but yeah huh they totally do” is going to make what I just said false. You can’t just claim it, you have to prove it. You haven’t done that.

If enough men wanted to hurt TW, they would. They don’t need you to be in the same bathroom as them to do so. Women have their own spaces, women get killed, beaten, raped and otherwise attacked by men much more often than TW.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (13 children)

Predators thrive on opportunity to hurt people. Bathrooms and lockers rooms are ideally suited to let them hurt us easily and with the least possible consequence.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

And yet here you are telling a vulnerable group (women) that we should let men (transwomen) into our bathrooms.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (11 children)

Transwomen aren’t men. When I say men are monsters I’m not including trans women.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Transwomen are men. Your personal definition of men and women does not change what males and females are. Man refers to adult human male, woman refers to adult human female.

All transwomen are adult human males, ergo, men. What subjective values you choose to place on these definitions is up to you, but don’t expect the rest of us to follow your personal language.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (9 children)

It’s not my personal language. Lots of people include trans women in their definition or women. It’s definitionally jot personal because many people use it.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Lots of men choosing to misrepresent their sex doesn’t change the definition either.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (7 children)

Language is a collective act so a bunch of people using a new definition does change the language. That’s how language works.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Language is used to convey particular ideas. Language that is bastardised to mean multiple, contradictory things is just noise.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 7 fun2 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 7 fun -  (5 children)

I’m not having the language philosophy discussion again.