QT: What rights don’t trans people have?

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[–]ZveroboyAlinaIs clownfish a clown or a fish? 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Sex is protected in both housing and medical administration federally.

Isn't you can fire woman for being pregnant in conservative states? Or it is just happening with other excuses there and then ignored by court? Also, in California state since 2016 "sex" is including "gender identity", so it should be protected there.

putting hormone controlled trans women on par with cis women

10% muscle loss is not enough to be "on par with cis women". Males and females have completely different anatomy, and males have up to 30-50% more muscles with same height and weight. So 10% loss would not be really enough. Even 50% would not be enough, because all other differences would still stay.

And again, cases I mentioned - those transwomen after years on cross-sex hormones would still be able to compete against males in same category and still would be competetive and better than 60-85% of "cis" men there. Cece even improved best time, so clearly not "have disadvantage". It is obvious that transwomen are losing competitiveness, but not to a very big degree, so maybe not taking first places, but possible to be near the top. So far only Jenner from top performing athletes transitioned, in other cases it is already low to medium performing male athletes who are transitioning. Opposite is not happening, as transmen even after years on testosterone are not able to even qualify (as often qualification into male competition is above all time female records).

Plus not in professional sport (or in countries like Canada even in competitive sport) - you do not even need to be on cross-sex hormones, you may be just "Non-binary woman male" and compete against "cis" women. So there it can be just manly looking man, buffed with 25 nmol/l testosterone levels and still compete against "cis" women.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

Isn't you can fire woman for being pregnant in conservative states?

No. That’s illegal. It happens under pretense but it isn’t legal.

Also, in California state since 2016 "sex" is including "gender identity", so it should be protected there.

I’m speaking federally. The majority of states do not have gender identity protections.

10% muscle loss is not enough to be "on par with cis women". Males and females have completely different anatomy, and males have up to 30-50% more muscles with same height and weight. So 10% loss would not be really enough. Even 50% would not be enough, because all other differences would still stay.

I never claimed we were equal in sport to natal women. In fact I said specifically it was arguable. I personally am against trans women competing against cis women. My point is we can’t compare against men.

Opposite is not happening, as transmen even after years on testosterone are not able to even qualify (as often qualification into male competition is above all time female records).

This isn’t accurate. There have been exactly 1 trans man and 1 trans woman to qualify for Olympic trials. Again I’m not for trans women competing against natal women but factually this is the case.

[–]ZveroboyAlinaIs clownfish a clown or a fish? 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I see, thanks for clarifying.

There have been exactly 1 trans man

It was "athletic walk", where male and female differences are one of smallest (still between 5% to 10%, but not 10-12% to 17% like in running or cycling). Plus Mosier was not able to finish qualification beacuse of female-specific trauma that athletic walkers are getting in female category but rarely in male category (similar reason why female soldiers are rarely doing standing guarding, as it increases risks of leg injury). It is unknown if Mosier will be able to recover, and because of trauma Mosier was not able to qualify (so we don't know if Mosier was able to qualify). I had same trauma, but from running, and I was not able to recover to compete again.

In Mosier main disciplines (duathlone and triathlone) - was not able to qualify.