All: What would it take for everyone to be friends again?

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[–]kwallio 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

We tried being nice, all it got was more demands and more and more infringement on women's spaces. NO U.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I understand the sentiment and understand if you'd rather not answer, but what do you imagine it would take to reach a world where we're all friends? Or what would it take for you personally?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Truly don’t think it’s possible. There cannot be any friendship with a group that does not treat women as human beings.

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That's like the worst part, not seeing human beings as human beings, in this case women. I really want to believe you're wrong about the first part, I feel like the better one can envision something the more likely they can coax it into reality.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I know some people from that crowd see us as people but the ideology itself does not. When those individuals choose to support the ideology and ignore women, they’re just as bad.

If there’s any peace to be had it’s gonna have to come from tra changing and not being such a dictatorial misogynistic movement. Gendered thinking cannot exist peacefully with the people gender oppresses.

[–][deleted] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The ideology is some grotesque, clownish monster that doesn't seem to really care about anyone except to expand rights that mostly benefit males at the expense of females, and to make people play along to others' sexual fantasies. That's certainly reductive, but it's a little hard to see beyond that sort of stuff sometimes. But I think your last line could be helpful a mantra for changing minds that have fallen victim to TRA and this ideology. That sort of encapsulates things.

The morbid irony is that it's dehumanized everyone, really. It encourages ignoring others' suffering, save for language policing, even trans people because no one is going to acknowledge serious issues that would be healthy to address. The ideology may have started from good intentions, but it's turned out to be heartless.

TRA seem drunk on power, so maybe rights eroding to a point that it affects more and more of those people to where they stop and challenge things seems like might be something that could change that.