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[–]MarkTwainiac 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I think it's irresponsible to conflate SSRIs with factory-made exogenous cross-sex sex hormones.

But more to the point: If female people taking exogenous T stop taking it & they still have their ovaries, their ovaries should start functioning again once the exogenous T is out of their systems.

Also, why the glaring double standard? Millions of menopausal, post-menopausal & post-oophorectomy women like me were suddenly forced off our HRT after the WHI study results were published in 2002. The HRT I was on was back then was Estratest, a combo of estrogen & testosterone that got pulled off the market entirely.

No one today seems to give a shit about what women - bog standard biological women of the birthing kind - of my age & following generations went through or are now experiencing nearly 20 years later.

The outsized sympathy automatically given to people with "gender dysphoria" by those who give not a flying fuck what their mothers, grandmums, aunts & so on have gone through blows my mind. Sorry, this does not come off to me as "klnd."

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Hi MT! I certainly don’t mean to conflate them in every way, but for the two things that Houseplant mentioned I just don’t see how it is that different. You are right that their body might start producing again if they haven’t had an oophorectomy, but we don’t really know that and I don’t know if long term usage damages their body’s ability to do that.

I’m completely with you on women needing better access to HRT and I certainly don’t mean to indicate I care more trans people. It was just the topic being discussed. Women like you should be given the treatment you need and I’m sorry it hasn’t been that way.

[–]MarkTwainiac 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My comment wasn't directed at you personally, peakingatthemoment. It was directed to the general attitude of trans-identified people & their allies today & in recent years.

The physical & mental health problems that women go through coz of the hormonal fluctuations & sudden hormone floods, drops & deprivations we experience in the course of our menstrual cycles, during pregnancy, after childbirth, when weaning, during menopause & when aging & in our elderly years seem not to matter at all to most people who identify as & ally with trans people.

You are a sweetheart. But I have never seen or heard any trans-identified persons on any platform acknowledge the hormone issues that girls, women & their own mothers face. However, I have seen & heard many trans-identified people claim that if a person is female & "cis," then getting prescriptions for exogenous hormones is a piece of cake.

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I do care what was done to menopausal women and I also care about the terrible side effects of SSRIs, the difficulty getting off them, and the fact they may impact generations when they do not perform better than placebos and are based on pseudoscience. I also care that the industry disproportionately damages women.

I cannot get over people critiquing the poor science and treatment around gender identity while propping up psychiatry. Furthermore these issues are not entirely separate.

[–]ZveroboyAlinaIs clownfish a clown or a fish? 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Reminded me this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX51BdZ6Nws

It is third time I am hearing about something like that - one time it was HRT during hard-going menopause, and it is always women needing to wait years for a surgery that can save their lives or help to remove pain, while cosmetic surgery for transmen and transwomen is much higher priority than well-being of women, when the treatment is exactly the same.