QT/Trans: Trans women say feminism and women's rights should include ALL women, and this means anyone who identifies as a woman. But 99% of women are cis. Why then do trans women not care about the history and rights of 99% of women?

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[–]adungitit 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun -  (5 children)

You know exactly what I meant...

Again, pronouns do not have sex. Is there something unclear about that?

Show me exactly where the f*** I advocated for moral relativism and excused the misogyny of any country.

You're whining about not wanting to change shit in Spanish because "wahwah my language, colonialist white people". I don't give a damn - misogyny is misogyny. Culture is made up bullshit that has always failed women. It gets no respect from me.

All I say was every culture, included the developed world is guilty of sexism and misogyny.

Every culture is misogynistic. The vast majority do not attempt to address this. Feminists criticising other cultures are VERY aware of sexism in their own culture. They also do not have to live in a country or speak its language to use their brains and logical thinking and recognise when misogynistic double standards are in place.

And that is was the so called western countries who came up with "sex is a spectrum" and "sex work is work" and exported it everywhere they could.

So? We are pushing back against that just as we do against any other form of misogyny.

If you think having pronouns that indicate the sex of a person (however you want to call them) is on pair with things like FGM or child marriage we're going to agree to absolutely disagree.

Very feminist to claim that anything short of FMG and child marriage simply doesn't count as misogyny.

[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You're whining about not wanting to change shit in Spanish because "wahwah my language, colonialist white people".

I'm just a bystander in this particular exchange, but I gotta say that this jumped out at me. Where did u/BiologyIsReal say anything approaching "wahwah my language, colonialist white people"?

Also, isn't Spanish the language that originated in the home country of a whole lot of colonialist white people? Spain, after all, was the country that kicked off the invasion of the "New World," and which ended up colonizing much of the Americas.

[–]BiologyIsReal 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That is right. There has been a discussion in Spanish speaking coutries for a while about sexism in the language. But, I think that is something that native speakers should decide, that is all.

By the way, I'm white too, as my skin is white, though wheter Americans would consider someone from Latin America like myself as white I don't know.

[–]adungitit 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

By arguing that "white people" criticising misogynistic norms in other cultures and languages are doing so for colonialist purposes.

And yes, the irony of the colonialist history of Spain kinda flew over their head, likely because they're speaking from a Latin American perspective.

[–]BiologyIsReal 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes, I know perfectly well that pronouns don't have a sex. I am not a savage idiot, you know?

And how the actual f*** having pronouns that indicate the sex of someone is sexist or misogynist?!!!!!

It's very unfortunate for me that I can't say all I'm thinking right now about you misconstructing everything I said while being a mod. So, bye.

[–]adungitit 4 insightful - 7 fun4 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

And how the actual f*** having pronouns that indicate the sex of someone is sexist or misogynist?!!!!!

It serves literally no purpose than to needlessly separate the language that the sexes can use, and this is always in favour of men. These languages are always androcentric, and the indoctrination that men are human and women are subhuman starts early.