QT/Trans: Trans women say feminism and women's rights should include ALL women, and this means anyone who identifies as a woman. But 99% of women are cis. Why then do trans women not care about the history and rights of 99% of women?

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[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

For instance, women get paid less than men. But WOC will get paid less than white woman.

For the same exact job working for the same employer withe same qualifications & experience? In what country?

Sounds like you're confusing earnings inequality with wage inequality.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

For the same exact job working for the same employer withe same qualifications & experience? In what country?

Yes, for the same exact job, employer and hours. I'm talking about the US

Sounds like you're confusing earnings inequality with wage inequality.

I'm not. There was a study where they sent out fake resumes for STEM-related positions. All the resumes were identical, except half had a male name and half have a female name. Men were more likely to get a call back. Scientists were also asked to rate applicants competence, and men were rated more compete tent than women and were more likely to be offered a higher starting salary, even if they had the qualifications and identical resumes (except for the name).

Science faculty’s subtle gender biases favor male students - Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America

Women are 30 percent less likely to be considered for a hiring process than men - phys.org

Employers' Replies to Racial Names - National Bureau of Economic Research

[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I was really taking issue with your claim that WOC get paid less than white women. I was wondering where it is that white women and "WOC" in the same job working for the same employer get paid different wages.

The wage and earnings gap between the sexes is clear. Still, salary is not the same as a wage. And anecdotal evidence concerning starting salaries offered to job applicants in STEM or any field is not necessarily indicative of the actual salaries paid across all the employees in that field. To get a sense of the pay gap, you've got to look at much broader evidence concerning all the people actually hired - not just some (fake) prospective hires in an experiment - and over time.

Starting salaries in a field like STEM are discretionary and negotiable. One of the issues is that when applying for positions men ask for higher starting salaries than women do, and women do not put their foot down and drive a harder bargain.

But to get a picture of the sex wage/salary/earnings gap as well as the race one, STEM is a bad example, since it's a male dominated and also mainly white and Asian. To get a sense of the sex wage, salary and earning gap(s), you've got to look in fields where males and females work in more balanced numbers and in the exact same jobs. Same goes for when you're looking to compare what WOC and white women are paid/earn. Since so few women work in STEM, it's not a good source for info about wage/earnings disparities between/amongst women of different races. For that, you've got to look at areas like retail, health care, office work, hospitality, teaching - areas where women work in droves and there's a vast variety in terms of race, color and ethnicity.