All: Why do a lot of trans people insist that being non binary or trans has nothing to to with stereotyoes, and then suddenly it really is about stereotypes?

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[–]SnowAssMan 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

Why are we all saying "gender stereotypes", when there is a name for that: masculinity & femininity? If you limit the conversation to "stereotypes" then the argument will go on forever. Stick to masculinity & femininity. The very least every man who identifies as a woman does is use feminine pronouns, a feminine name, but usually also having a feminine hairstyle & feminine clothes.

Trans activists talk about gender all day long, but they are allergic to the words masculinity & femininity – even though that's what gender (as a construct) refers to. Clearly they think of female & femininity as synonymous, which is how someone who is feminine & male can be "female" & somehow not male.

They like to pretend that male & female & masculinity & femininity don't exist. And that all there is is self-identification. They replace the definition of male & female, man & woman, gender & gender identity with the non-existent definition of self-identification.

[–]adungitit 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Trans activists talk about gender all day long, but they are allergic to the words masculinity & femininity

I thought they liked the notion that performing femininity makes you female, and masculinity male? Isn't that what girlmode and boymode are about? I've literally heard many of them say that, if people mistake you for a man, then you are a man. Then again, I've seen so many contradictory views from them that I don't know what to believe. I feel that a lot of them make these sexist claims because they literally have no idea how to make the ideology make sense otherwise, and due to being all "TRANS RIGHTS FTW" there is a silent agreement that no-one can point out how contradictory and sexist all these ideas on gender are.

[–]SnowAssMan 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, they say "boy-mode", they'd never say 'masculine', even though that's what gender refers to & it's what they actually mean (provided they mean anything at all). They want to replace the definitions of male, boy, man, female, girl, woman, which are all grounded in sex, with a vague non-definition, which always ever turns out to be masculinity & femininity, except they think it's in their DNA, or something.

[–]adungitit 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I still can't believe that feminist movements have gone from trying to erase gender roles and fighting for sex-based rights, to insisting that acknowledging the physical reality of one's biology and having a normal healthy body are "wrong" because this doesn't match preconceived notions on what men and women should be.