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[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not gonna address the sub comments you pasted because they aren’t your comments, and if I were going to address them, I’d rather it be with the people who made the statements themselves.

Also, a lot of what you asked seems to be the same question reworded, so I didn’t address every sentence you typed.

“Because there is no proof people can be born in the wrong sex, and there is no proof people can not be born in the wrong sex”

How is someone born the “wrong” sex? What is right or wrong about either sex? Particularly since they claim they aren’t relying on gender stereotypes/roles?

“believing people can or can not be born in the wrong body or sex is just a matter of opinion?”

I don’t think so. I don’t really see how anyone can be born the right or wrong sex. But I’m not sexist, so maybe that’s why.

“The commenters do not think that accepting a man as a woman or a woman as a man has led to the current situation.”

The comments you link think that, not everyone participating in the conversation.

“They think that gender and sex are separate, gender is created by humans”

They are separate, but they rely on each other (at least gender relies on sex, sex stands on its own). Tras are still misusing the word gender, separate or not.

“and it is possible to accept a man as a woman or a man as a woman socially without letting men in spaces of women or women in spaces of men.”

Is it? How do you say “you’re a social woman, but stay out of female spaces in society”? How do you justify it, if you accept them as women? It is however, possible to accept someone as trans without giving them permission to disregard sex based spaces.

“That it is a matter of courtesy and respect to call someone by their preferred pronouns, or consider them the gender they want to be as long as they pass as that gender. »

Ugh my phone started doing that arrow thing again, anyways

It’s a matter of courtesy and respect to not demand that people lie for your benefit. Also- passing is so subjective, so even if I agreed with this, that still means most trans people will end up not being addressed as they wish.

« And that it would be rude, disrespectful, hateful and transphobic to call a man who passes and identifies as a woman a man, or a woman who passes and identifies as a man a woman. »

So the truth is rude, disrespectful, and hateful? But not the demand that people gaslight and guilt themselves to appease you? The narcissism is real.

« They also think gender is not problematic, »

Most people who benefit from gender tend to think this...

« it does not reduce people to sexist roles because humans are realistically bags of meat. By saying gender reduces people to sexist roles we're romanticizing humanity. »

That’s stupid lol. Gender is nothing more than sexist roles, expectations, and limitations.

« How problematic is accepting a man as a woman or a woman as a man if they pass well enough? »

Very.

« And what problems does that bring? »

All of the issues currently heavily debated and discussed today. From general understanding of sex and biology, female rights being undermined and undone, pressuring others to play pretend or suffer the consequences of acknowledging reality, denying people the ability to give informed consent, calling sexuality bigotry, males in female sports, children being experimented on... the list goes on and on

« Is it just a matter of opinion that people can not be born in the wrong sex or body? »

People can’t be. Your body is your body. There’s nothing right or wrong about it. Your sex is your sex. There’s nothing right or wrong about it. And you can’t know your body is « wrong » if it’s all you’ve ever experienced, there can be something wrong with your body, but having a normally developed healthy body is not « wrong » just because you wish you were the opposite sex.

« Is there proof that people can not be born in the wrong sex or body? »

How do you prove something like this, either way? As I said, there can be something physically wrong with your body, but barring that, there’s no logic behind saying that your body is wrong because your brain says so. That would mean there’s an issue with your brain, not your body.

« Is it hateful, rude and disrespectful to call a man who identifies and passes as a woman a man, or a woman who identifies and passes as a man a woman? »

No. They aren’t even actually identifying as a woman/man, they are identifying with their limited understanding of what they think it means to be a woman/man. It’s hateful, rude, and disrespectful (and presumptuous) of them to declare that they identify as something they aren’t, haven’t experienced, can’t explain without sounding like a misogynist, and don’t truly understand.