QT/trans: What makes you want to be involved in the debate or advocating for trans rights? What would need to be achieved to make you stop?

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (19 children)

I don’t I’m just saying that if I need justifications to call someone a bigot it isn’t what the rules say, and if the mods have to agree with my justifications when they and I see the issues very differently then that doesn’t seem very fair.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

We have one gc (I think?) mod, one trans mod, and one “confused” but I’d say based on their comments qt mod. There’s no reason to act as if they’d automatically see things differently.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

You have zero QT mods, trans or cis status doesn’t matter

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

  1. Porcelain seems very qt to me

  2. I’ve personally said I’m fine with whatever you call me as long as you can back it up in a factual way.

  3. If you think we need a qt mod you should tell the mods. It’s fair to have one.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

So applying the rule isn’t fair, applying it the same way you applied it to tra getting called misogynistic isn’t ok, and nobody suggested mods have to agree with any justification you might have so idk where you’ve pulled that one from.

What would be fair? The rule not applying to you? Cause what I’m getting it that you have no justification for calling anyone here bigoted but still find the rule blanket banning doing just that unfair?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (13 children)

No I can provide my justifications but I doubt people would agree, and I doubt that the mods would really accept any justification as a legitimate reason to call someone a bigot.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Mods don’t delete things they personally dislike. Idk why you’re acting like you’ll get banned for wrongthink. That’s TRA tactics.

If you can reasonably explain why we are unreasonably attatched to the idea of female rights, do so. If not, follow the sub rules and don’t call people that. Pretty easy.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (11 children)

I think I’ll just play it safe and avoid such terms, as “reasonableness” is pretty subjective and I don’t trust GC mods to be expansive in their definitions of what qualifies. Maybe I’m just being unduly suspicious but I’ve generally found that mods can be petty tyrants whom feel free to insult people and then ban them when they complain.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

So you think the mods here are petty tyrants who will censor you if you explain why you repeatedly call people bigots.

Mkay. I’m gonna dismiss anything else you might say based on how silly this is, and what it reveals about your thinking. Good luck with your trolling tho.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (9 children)

Are you going to provide justification for calling me a troll?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Nah. It’s really clear why. It’s also not against any rules to call out obvious and low effort shitposts.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (7 children)

So you aren’t willing to explain your justification then because you feel it’s obvious? You clearly don’t have a double standard at all. Still I’ll prove to you why I’m not a troll engaging in shit posting.

Let’s look at a common definition of trolling. Please let me know if you disagree:

Trolling:

”In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts flame wars or intentionally upsets people on the Internet. This is typically done by posting inflammatory and digressive,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog), with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses[2] and normalizing tangential discussion.[3] This is typically for the troll's amusement, or to achieve a specific result such as disrupting a rival's online activities or manipulating a political process.” -Wikipedia

I’m not trying to intentional upset people nor am I attempting to provoke an emotional response. I am merely stating my honestly held opinion that you disagree with. Remember, trolling isn’t about having an incoherent argument or a wrong position, it’s an attempt to disrupt conversations for the emotional gratification of the troll. Let me assure you that though you think I’m wrong or misguided or even unintelligent, I’m not trying to merely stir the pot but rather to state a position that I’m sure you’ve encountered in some form among other TRA even if you think it’s the most ridiculous opinion you’ve ever heard.

Shit Posting:

“Shitposting is posting "aggressively, ironically, and of trollishly poor quality"[1] posts or content to an online forum or social media.[2][3][4][5] Shitposts are intentionally designed to derail discussions or cause the biggest reaction with the least effort possible. Sometimes they are made as part of a coordinated flame war to make the site unusable by its regular visitors.[6]” -Wikipedia

Again I’m not trying to derail the discussion, but merely stating my controversial but honestly held view concerning the sex spectrum paradigm. Therefore I’m not engaging in shit posting

I look forward to hearing you justification for calling me a troll if you deem to provide it, but I’m not holding my breath as you presumably answer to no one but yourself on this matter. I am not so fortunate

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I don’t need to justify it dude. Jog on.

You’re not gonna sit there and act like being called a troll for posting barely coherent drivel is the same as calling someone a bigot, when the latter is the one mentioned in the rule you were called out for breaking, are you?

I don’t need to justify calling a troll a troll.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

I disagree that there are harms and that trans women are male, and I’m pretty sure that appeals to the majority concerning definitions is a fallacy

Because such language is outdated due to the understanding that sex is a spectrum

I mean caring about anything is subjective so it’s not wrong per say, but I would say that in the current context it can lead to negative circumstances for trans people