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[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Are you...

Everybody on this post is wrong except for you? Even someone with lived experience?!

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I mean Sarah Palin has lived experience of patriarchal oppression but I don’t think I’ll be taking her opinions on feminism seriously anytime soon

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This isn’t someone’s “opinion”. They’re actually intersex. This is someone’s experience and information they have first hand, given from medical professionals and actually living with an intersex condition.

Sarah Palin’s opinions on feminism are just that-opinions.

Also- they’re not the only person saying you’re wrong. Everyone else is. So you’re basically saying that someone who has experienced living with an intersex condition and being treated (for lack of a better word) for it, and even some people who have experience in fields where this topic is relevant, as well as everyone else, even some trans people... we’re all wrong, and only you understand biology and sex?

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None of that changes it being their opinion

ISNA agrees with me so why doesn’t their lived experiences count? Also it’s hardly surprising that a TEGCF sub disagrees with my QT views

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I’m confused as to why you NEVER provide sources or any type of proof for the things you claim, even when we ask you to, but you insist that you’re not wrong because you can find some people who agree with you who also can’t prove their claims.

Also, a quick check on the isna site, they seem to actually agree with the other poster.

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  1. I don’t generally expect these conversations to be at all productive so I basically feel like any effort I put in will be wasted.

  2. I’m pretty sure I did link this from the ISNA site but allow me to quote the relevant section:

“ Which variations of sexual anatomy count as intersex? In practice, different people have different answers to that question. That’s not surprising, because intersex isn’t a discreet or natural category.

What does this mean? Intersex is a socially constructed category that reflects real biological variation. To better explain this, we can liken the sex spectrum to the color spectrum. There’s no question that in nature there are different wavelengths that translate into colors most of us see as red, blue, orange, yellow. But the decision to distinguish, say, between orange and red-orange is made only when we need it—like when we’re asking for a particular paint color. Sometimes social necessity leads us to make color distinctions that otherwise would seem incorrect or irrational, as, for instance, when we call certain people “black” or “white” when they’re not especially black or white as we would otherwise use the terms.

In the same way, nature presents us with sex anatomy spectrums. Breasts, penises, clitorises, scrotums, labia, gonads—all of these vary in size and shape and morphology. So-called “sex” chromosomes can vary quite a bit, too. But in human cultures, sex categories get simplified into male, female, and sometimes intersex, in order to simplify social interactions, express what we know and feel, and maintain order.

So nature doesn’t decide where the category of “male” ends and the category of “intersex” begins, or where the category of “intersex” ends and the category of “female” begins. Humans decide. Humans (today, typically doctors) decide how small a penis has to be, or how unusual a combination of parts has to be, before it counts as intersex. Humans decide whether a person with XXY chromosomes or XY chromosomes and androgen insensitivity will count as intersex.”