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[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Just wanted to add:

The "puberty blockers" and cross-sex hormones you advocate administering at an early age to male and female children alike have not been proven to relieve psychological distress in the recipients. Look at Jazz Jennings - on blockers starting age 10/11, exogenous estrogen since age 12, constantly praised and fawned over for being trans, and made lots of money from it too. Still, Jazz was too mentally unwell in 9/10th grade to continue with regular HS so switched to online studies, and then at age 18/19 after the "miracle cure" of genital surgeries, Jazz still had to postpone going off to college coz of poor mental health.

The true story of Jazz is significant coz Jazz is literally the USA's "poster child" not just for childhood transition, but for using "the Dutch protocol," meaning early use of drugs to block puberty. Recently, one of the Dutch clinicians who came up this protocol, Thomas Steensma, said that while it might have been suitable for the small number of Dutch children treated with it in Amsterdam in the early 2000s (2000-2008, to be precise)

“We don’t know whether studies we have done in the past can still be applied to this time. Many more children are registering, and also a different type, ”says Steensma. “Suddenly there are many more girls applying who feel like a boy. While the ratio was the same in 2013, now three times as many children who were born as girls register, compared to children who were born as boys.

https://www.voorzij.nl/more-research-is-urgently-needed-into-transgender-care-for-young-people-where-does-the-large-increase-of-children-come-fro

BTW, even in their original research that caused "the Dutch protocol" to be taken up in other countries, the Dutch researchers did not find that puberty blockers were completely successful at alleviating distress. Rather, they found that between T0 (not being on blockers) and T1 (after being on blockers for varying amounts of time, the actual time frames of which are not stated in the abstracts currently available to me online)

Behavioral and emotional problems and depressive symptoms decreased, while general functioning improved significantly during puberty suppression. Feelings of anxiety and anger did not change between T0 and T1. While changes over time were equal for both sexes, compared with natal males, natal females were older when they started puberty suppression and showed more problem behavior at both T0 and T1. Gender dysphoria and body satisfaction did not change between T0 and T1.

So feelings of anxiety, anger, gender dysphoria and body satisfaction - none of them improved on blockers.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20646177/

In female children put on blockers by the Tavistock GIDS in the UK, not only was no benefit found - but girls on blockers became more likely to self-harm and have thoughts of suicide than beforehand.

The "cure" you advocate for young children with GD will leave most of them sterile, sexually dysfunctional, without libido or ability to orgasm, with compromised cognitive faculties, stunted psychology and perhaps diminished IQ. It's a treatment that totally contradicts the principles of "first do no harm" and evidence-based care.

[–]a_green_squidtransmed i guess? 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Behavioral and emotional problems and depressive symptoms decreased, while general functioning improved significantly during puberty suppression. Feelings of anxiety and anger did not change between T0 and T1. While changes over time were equal for both sexes, compared with natal males, natal females were older when they started puberty suppression and showed more problem behavior at both T0 and T1. Gender dysphoria and body satisfaction did not change between T0 and T1.

So feelings of anxiety, anger, gender dysphoria and body satisfaction - none of them improved on blockers.

Behavioral and emotional problems and depressive symptoms decreased, while general functioning improved significantly during puberty suppression

Behavioral and emotional problems and depressive symptoms decreased

while general functioning improved significantly during puberty suppression

You didn't even read the thing you quoted. I just can't.

The study measures a lot of different variables in mental health. GD and body satisfaction remained the same (which is understandable, puberty blockers literally just block puberty, your body is doing the opposite of changing.) while "Behavioral and emotional problems and depressive symptoms" were reduced. Literally a net positive.

The "cure" you advocate for young children with GD will leave most of them sterile, sexually dysfunctional, without libido or ability to orgasm, with compromised cognitive faculties, stunted psychology and perhaps diminished IQ. It's a treatment that totally contradicts the principles of "first do no harm" and evidence-based care.

cite your sources. And maybe actually read them this time.