GC: Is sexual attraction only based on genitals, or is there more to sexual attraction (e.g. attraction to secondary sexual characteristics, "femininity", "masculinity", etc)?

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[–]worried19 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Well, I agree he's bisexual to some degree. As far as Blaire goes, I'm happy to use preferred pronouns for adult transsexuals who are living their lives in good faith. Blaire doesn't pretend that she's not biologically male.

[–]Not_a_celebrity[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

"She" refers to someone that is biologically female. It is contradictory to call a biological male "she" just because he feels like a woman. And he's not "living in good faith". He's a homophobe. He's anti-feminist. And he is a trans-medicalist, and trans-medicalists are worse than the ordinary "trans", because these are the ones believing that there is a "female" or "male" brain, that "gender is not a social construct", and that a "trans man" is a "male brain in a female body" or a "trans woman" is a "female brain in a male body" who should get hormones and surgery for their body to match their brain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9WqfBDjRF8&t=191s

Many GCs worship Blaire. While he accepts he's biologically male, he doesn't spend his day do day reminding himself of that, he thinks he's a "woman in a straight relationship", worse, a man with a "female brain". Why let a homophobe get what he wants?

I don't think using anyone's preferred pronouns is a good idea. If Blaire understands he's biologically male, he should understand he shall be treated as a biological male, not a woman just because he got surgeries and hormones to look like the most stereotypical form people think a "woman" looks like. A woman is not big boobs, make up, and dresses. And calling Blaire "she" will enforce misogyny.

[–]worried19 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Well, I take a more moderate view than that. I don't even think most GC people are that hardcore about pronouns.

It's what's called a polite courtesy. Blaire transitioned because of severe dysphoria. I don't mind a biologically incorrect pronoun for the purposes of helping out someone who's trying to live their life as best they can. Where I have a problem is people demanding pronouns or making up crazy new pronouns and generally making a big thing of it.

[–]Not_a_celebrity[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Up to you. I can't provide him that polite courtesy myself, just as I can't be polite when it comes to other "trans" people because I'm frankly disgusted by their ideology. I can't even bring myself to use an incorrect pronoun because it will make me as guilty as them in enforcing the ideology I disagree with. But if you want to then so be it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[–]worried19 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I thought you were on the QT side? Either way, the pronoun issue is very low on my list of priorities.

[–]Not_a_celebrity[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not on the TQ side. When I posted here multiple times the few days ago, which I know you remember, I was neutral and questioning. My questions were similar to what TQs asked because I took a neutral stance and wanted to ask whatever was on my mind. Whatever I didn't understand. I still have episodes where I don't understand something, but it's not as bad as before.

And yeah. People's priorities are different. For me, pronouns are on top of my priority, because getting the TQ to come back to reality right when they feel like they are the opposite sex is more effective than agreeing with them they are the opposite sex and even going with their preferred pronouns.

But your priorities are difference, that's fine.