QT- The intersex/hermaphroditism comparisons and examples

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[–]BiologyIsReal 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

GnRH agonists (aka "puberty blockers") are not safe and reversible. The only reason why transactivists say they are reversible is because their use in precocious puberty. However, children with precocious puberty and children with gender dysphoria are very diferent populations and so it is the way GnRHa are used with them. In the case of precocious puberty, the drugs are withdrawn so the kids can experience puberty about the same time as their peers. In contrast, children with gender dysphoria are delaying their development in comparisson with their peers. We don't know all possible effects that this may have on them, but because sex hormones are important for bone and brain development we can expect that at those may be affected at least. In fact, Tavistock's own data shows that the children's bone density has been compromised. If followed by cross-sex hormones, then there is the possibility of infertility and sexual disfunction.

Furthermore, despite "puberty blockers" being sold as a pause button, nearly all of the children taking them progress to cross sex hormones, with all the health complications that arise from their use. That is despite that before the "affirmative treatment" became the standard most children who identified as trans ended up aceppting their own sex. Given that questioning a pacient's "gender identity" has became taboo, it's doubtful that doctors are that good at determining which children would keep their trans identity as adults.

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In fact, Tavistock's own data shows that the children's bone density has been compromised. If followed by cross-sex hormones, then there is the possibility of infertility and sexual disfunction (in trans women at any rate, I don’t know anything about Hrt for trans men). Nothing new.

Those are all established risks of Hrt alone in trans women.

Blockers are accepted medical practice. And are considered reversible by the medical community. This isn’t trans people making claims, it’s what the doctors are saying.

Furthermore, despite "puberty blockers" being sold as a pause button, nearly all of the children taking them progress to cross sex hormones,

That suggests accuracy in diagnostics not a failure.

[–]BiologyIsReal 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

(in trans women at any rate, I don’t know anything about Hrt for trans men). Nothing new. Those are all established risks of Hrt alone in trans women.

You don't think that stoping puberty in natal females and given them amounts of testosterone above the normal range for females may have an impact in their reproductive systems?

If adults want to take these drugs, fine. But, we're talking about children (whether they are male or female), who aren't able to consent to this, here.

Blockers are accepted medical practice. And are considered reversible by the medical community. This isn’t trans people making claims, it’s what the doctors are saying.

They are not reversible and I already explained to you why. The doctors pushing them care more about ideology and profits than science or ethics and, yes, this is thanks to transactivists lobbying.

That suggests accuracy in diagnostics not a failure.

Why don't you quote the full paragraph? Here it is again. Despite "puberty blockers" being sold as a pause button, nearly all of the children taking them progress to cross sex hormones, with all the health complications that arise from their use. That is despite that before the "affirmative treatment" became the standard most children who identified as trans ended up aceppting their own sex. Given that questioning a pacient's "gender identity" has became taboo, it's doubtful that doctors are that good at determining which children would keep their trans identity as adults.