QT- The intersex/hermaphroditism comparisons and examples

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[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

So you have things to back up your claim but can’t share them? I guess we can’t really discuss what you’re suggesting then. Thanks.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wondering, if you can’t cite the brain sex thing, could you possibly cite any claims that sex is determined by the brain, not genitalia or chromosomes etc? That way if you ever are able to produce the evidence that TW have female brains or that they don’t have male brains, nobody would be able to say that this just simply doesn’t matter since sex isn’t determined by what’s in your brain? In other words, can you show us that brain sex matters more than the other factors taken into consideration when determining sex? Perhaps evidence that doctors scan the brains of infants or something to determine their sex at birth? Still struggling to understand why brain sex would matter, even if you are correct in what you stated.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

If you say so. I don’t keep an index of studies handy.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Surely you’d be able to do a quick google or something? Hard to believe that something that proves the validity of transwomen would be so inaccessible. Can you address my other question?

It’s odd to me that you’d say “If you say so” while you’re basically “saying so” yourself. Almost sounds like you want us to take what you “say so” as factual whilst dismissing what we say and ask.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I said the brain studies convinced me there’s a biological basis distinct from cis men, not that they proved our “validity”.

What other question?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

It’s below my other comment idk how to reword it succinctly. I just find it odd that you can’t produce something that was so convincing to you, if it were me, I’d probably have something like that saved, but we’re different people. Also a bit odd that it’s just this one study, I’d think there’d be a few that back it up. But I guess if you can’t show anything it’s best to move on.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

As I said I’ve seen multiple, but I don’t save random articles. If you want a link I don’t have one to give you. If that stops your interest in the conversation, that’s your prerogative.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

It’s not that it stops my interest, it’s that you’re claiming something that we understand to have been debunked, yet you can’t show us that despite it being debunked, it’s still relevant. So how do we discuss something that only you have seen, particularly when you can’t elaborate on it?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

In what way has a structural basis for dysphoria been debunked? I’m not talking about male v female brains. I’m talking about cis v trans brains, an idea which is under explored but certainly hasn’t been debunked.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You didn’t say that- you said you don’t have a male brain. You do have a male brain. A dysphoric male brain. I agree with that- I disagree with what you initially said.

Eta- I wouldn’t say it’s a transwoman’s brain, as a dysphoric male who doesn’t transition would have a brain similar to a transwoman’s, wouldn’t they? So it’s a dysphoric brain, not a trans brain, right? Which would mean censorship is correct- it leans more in favor of proving mental illness than offering any legitimacy to the idea of a gendered brain of some sort.

Eta again- you weren’t talking about “cis”/trans brains, you were absolutely talking about not having a male brain

“I think it’s at least partly rooted in the brain so since we don’t have male brains”

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I didn’t say I had a female brain either. What I said was I've been convinced that there’s a structural difference between a cis man’s brain and a trans woman’s. There’s a structural basis for why I am not a man, so far as I have been convinced.