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[–]SnowAssMan 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Identity aside then, if we lived in a culture that favoured desistance over transition, maybe. Maybe if we looked down on people who medically transitioned as opposed to not, perhaps in that case you could call it transphobia. But I think the opposite is true. Our culture favours transition. I think 'transgender' is homophobia incarnate; internalised, pathologised homophobia.

Pat Robertson recently came out in support of transgender, when a week earlier he doubled down on his homophobia. Only out-of-touch liberals are surprised by this. It's perfectly logically consistent to anyone else.

So when I'm asked if transphobia exists, from my perspective I'm being asked if prejudice against a form of homophobic conversion therapy exists. That previous sentence may sound like I'm trying to appeal to personal incredulity, however it's not actually impossible for prejudice to exist against the very thing that society promotes. Take femininity for instance. Our culture forces women into femininity, but then punishes them for it. Femininity is sexism, but our culture is prejudiced against femininity as well.

So staying with femininity, do I believe "femphobia" (prejudice against femininity) exists? I think saying that it does would only distract from the root cause. It'd focus on the wrong thing. Femininity is conformity, therefore GNC women (which we could compare to the desisted & detransitioned populations) could be considered "femphobic", which turns the whole thing on its head.

I'd just say sexism exists & femininity, & what results from it, is an outgrowth of that sexism. The same goes for transphobia. The root cause is homophobia. Femphobia, as a by-product of sexism, also plays a role here, as being "woman-like" is discriminated against in the cases of women primarily, but backfires & ends up negatively affecting gay men & those who transition too.

I feel like there is at least [prejudice] amongst some GC people

I don't think of radical feminists as prejudiced. It's a very common anti-feminist accusation, usually as a way to dismiss what the feminist in question is saying. Feminists expose prejudice & the backlash never addresses that, it deflects, pretending that she is prejudiced herself. A feminist pointing out that men hate women always results in her getting labelled 'man-hater', which 'transphobe' has become a synonym for. I think radical feminists are just far less tolerant of sexism, in all its forms, which happens to include the sexist appropriation & erasure that is the inevitable result of trans ideology.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I’m talking about transphobia in very specific instances and whether or not it exists at all. I think it can and does exists in very specific cases, but I’m not trying to say that it’s some huge social problem. Femininity is look down upon even for people who are being force to perform it. I agree with that totally. It’s sadly just part of living in a patriarchal misogynistic world. I feel like you are just going on unrelated tangents though and not addressing the question the thread was about. I guess that is fine and I probably won’t continue to pry if I’m not getting anywhere.

I don't think of radical feminists as prejudiced. It's a very common anti-feminist accusation, usually as a way to dismiss what the feminist in question is saying. Feminists expose prejudice & the backlash never addresses that, it deflects, pretending that she is prejudiced herself. A feminist pointing out that men hate women always results in her getting labelled 'man-hater', which 'transphobe' has become a synonym for. I think radical feminists are just far less tolerant of sexism, in all its forms, which happens to include the sexist appropriation & erasure that is the inevitable result of trans ideology.

I’m certainly not intending to attack radical feminists. All radical feminists are GC but not all GC are radical feminists. I feel like it’s important to make that distinction. I’m even not really criticizing GC, let alone all GC, really just asking a specific question.

[–]SnowAssMan 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm just saying asking whether transphobia exists is like asking if "femphobia" exists, it's ass-backwards. That's the short version.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I’m not sure if I fully understand what you mean at least for the question I’m asking, but I get the you don’t feel like it’s a good question and feel like we should be focusing on the homophobia, lack of desistance, or whatever that creates people like me in your view.