GC: Why aren't trans men allowed to have their own spaces?

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[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And yet you have that biology whether you define yourself by it or not, whether you acknowledge it or not, whether you're dead or an infant or aware of every single itty bitty facet of how your biology works. People being delusional or lying to themselves or brainwashed or mentally ill does not change reality in any capacity. Can you define yourself as transracial or a wolf, and then demand the same legal treatment as what you identify as? After all, we shouldn't define anyone by their biology, right?

Defining yourself by your gender identity is not delusional.

When the reasons why we both can't show our female organs are intrinsically tied to us experiencing oppression due to being female and having said female organs and as a result experiencing oppression that female people are saddled with all their lives, then no, I'm not going to pretend these women are some speshul snowflakes with unique problems just because they're sad that they haven't managed to convince society that their breasts are actually giant testicles or something. No, I'm going to call it what it is: misogyny. Women lying to themselves that misogyny isn't misogyny for male approval has always been normal and it doesn't make them special or change the reality of these double standards and why they exist.

If a man with gynecomastia cannot show his breasts, is it due to being female? I see this situation as no different.

[–]adungitit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Defining yourself by your gender identity is not delusional.

Is defining yourself as a wolf delusional? Is defining yourself as a child when you're an adult delusional? Is defining yourself as black when you're white delusional?

Again, what you think doesn't matter one bit to reality. I don't want to grow up. I want to have a tail. I want to fly. Too bad!

If a man with gynecomastia cannot show his breasts, is it due to being female?

I don't understand. A man with gynecomastia can show his chest, that's the whole point. Women cannot show their breasts because they're women. Even when a man has gynecomastia that makes his chest breast-like, he can still show his chest. Some women lying that their breasts aren't breasts and trying to haggle that they specifically shouldn't have to deal with misogyny because they're special does not for a moment change the fact that they cannot show their breasts because they're women, and breasts are not allowed to be shown in public because of sexist double standards. Some women wanting special treatment where they're free from misogyny due to "not being like those other girls" is ultimately irrelevant to the fact that they're going to experience it, just as any woman is going to experience misogyny whether she insists that she doesn't or not.