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[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

Like another person said, trans people often follow gender ideology which is just that, an ideology, that some may disagree with. Is it transphobic? I don't think so, though I see how it could be debatable, but disagreeing with an ideology doesn't automatically make you hateful or phobic of it.

I feel like it’s transphobic if you just assume all trans people subscribe to an ideology and are therefore would bad parents. If you would be okay with a transsexual who doesn’t believe those things then it wouldn’t be transphobia. I do feel like sometime people will try to say nothing is transphobia because trans people are always bad. I guess if someone believes that or than all trans people would be unfit to be parents, I’d have a hard time not seeing that as transphobia.

In my view, the trans identity is more than a physical medical state, it's a lifestyle and an ideology, and (again in my view) a mental ailment consisting of gender dysphoria and other comorbidities (you reject this anecdotally but the studies show high comorbidities of mental illness so I think many would consider it a valid concern).

Yeah, I see it as more like a physical medical state at least for someone like me. Gender dysphoria is a mental illness or something very close one, but it is something that can be treated or the distress caused by it can go away. People can have like ideological views about gender or embrace different lifestyles, but those things don’t have to be part of it. I did want to say that don’t reject the idea that trans people are more likely to have comorbid mental illnesses. They are and there isn’t any way around that based o the research. The only reason I don’t think it relevant to the adoption conversation is that someone with BPD, NPD, or BIID (just to name a few) would never be approved to adopt. We’ve been impressed with how detailed and invasive getting approved to adopt is. States take this so seriously and I’m so confident that someone with a serious mental illness would not be allowed to do it.

The way I interpreted your question and framed my response is from someone who is willingly giving up their kid because they have to, and who wants the best and most stable life for their kid possible. This is obviously not the case for any or even most adoptions, and in many cases the birth parents may not know about the adoptive family at all and vice versa. But, if there is open communication between the parties, I think this is a relevant detail.

We are wanting to pursue a totally open adoption. The more we learned about it the more we felt like would be the best for the child. I think this is becoming more common too compared to how it was years ago. Totally closed adoptions are really uncommon now if you are adopting domestically (speaking from a U.S. perspective).

[–]comradeconradical 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A lot to unpack in your 'transphobia' response. Most trans people believe in a gender ideology by definition, if they believe changing how they look changes their 'gender', if they put any stock in gender identity at all, if they want the world to perceive them as the opposite sex based on gender expression. Those who acknowledge and disclose their actual sex are few, even here in your question you and your partner are considering to hide this truth. Also, you consider your being trans solely a physical condition, but I don't see how trans identity doesn't have a pervasive mental component, even in the case of HSTS. What leads you to change your body and appearance if not your mind? Finally, I didn't mean to imply "all trans are bad" lol and I hope you don't take it this way, it's just that being trans is essentially an exceptional aspect of a trans person's life that should be disclosed when relevant, as I believe is the case here.

Agreed about the strictness of adoption and the bars against people with mental illness. It must be frustrating, but it absolutely makes sense, considering a child's life is involved. It's interesting because of course people who have mental or physical illness are not barred from natural procreation. Adoption though is not the same as natural birth in that it belongs primarily in the legal and social world rather than the biological.

Open adoption is definitely more common now, and I think better for all the involved parties most of the time. That said, open adoption works best when everyone is open with each other.