QT: How do we determine who is identifying as trans in bad faith under self-identification?

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[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

It is same as with men.

Majority of men are not rapists or paedo and not dangerous to kids and women. However, overwhelming majority of rapists are men. Overwhelming majority of violent crimes is done by men. Overwhelming majorities crimes against women are done by men and not by women.

There no way to distinguish between "good men" and "bad men". So...we not allowing ANY of them in women safe spaces. That's it.

prisons

Prisons are actually showing that acting in bad faith is very easy. At least two men in UK who were in prison for violent crimes identified as woman in prison and were moved to female prison, and after going out of prison they stopped being transwomen anymore and went being just men. Man who was asked to leave women's toilet by women there in Norway changed self-ID in internet that same day and tried to sue one of them. After court ended, he returned on being man again.

Bad actors and criminals already have no good morales in the first place, so making a bit more easy lies to get access to victims - is nothing to them.

And such behavior by bad actors and letting bad actors freedom to act like this - will not just hurt women a lot, but it also will hurt transgender movement as a whole.

[–]kwallio 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There is literally no downside to id-ing as a woman in prison. You get special treatment and the women prisoners can't complain.

Personally I'm in favor of trans only prisons, or parts of prisons. You want to get out of the gen pop in the mens prison? Fine, but you don't get to have access to women.

[–]comradeconradical[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes I agree, but in practice it is simply not cost efficient to build a separate prison for less than one percent of the population, which is why I also tend to fall back on a separate wing in the prison of their birth sex as a compromise. It's not a compromise that's well received though, because often they wish to completely co-opt women's spaces. Why? Validation? Exploitation? Whatever it is, it doesn't justify the adverse effects of housing natal males in women's prisons and on other institutions/services.

Again, it is a matter of objective, material, measurable reality versus subjective, internal, individual ideology. I don't see why the latter should ever prevail over the former, and I am still waiting for a QT to analyze how some people's individual gender ideologies are more or less valid than others and how they can tell the difference.