GC: What are your thoughts on this pro-trans person's arguments? Can you tell me why their arguments are unsound and why you disagree with them?

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[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Mezzoic, this is off topic, but have you seen the 1995 US movie "Citizen X"? It's about the investigation of a large numbers of grisly sex murders, mostly of kids and young women, in Rostov in the waning years of the USSR. It's a gripping, somber police procedural that captures the mood of the crumbling Soviet ideology and infrastructure and the failing state, while also showing the extreme homophobia of the Communist Party officials and policy and the way certain party officials dug their heels in and asserted tired doctrine/propaganda to resist change - as others did the opposite. It's based on the true story of Andrei Chikatilo, aka the Red Ripper, who remains one of the most "prolific" serial killers in world history to this day - and who showed that serial killers are not just "a decadent Western phenomenon" as the CP apparatchiks initially insisted. All the old guard Soviet officials wanted to pin the murders on homosexuals and kept forcing the cops to go out and round up men known to be gay. Which is very sad. But the two principal men in charge of the investigation, and the rank and file cops, are good guys and behave honorably - and without homophobia. It's a really well-done movie. Not light fare, but very moving.

[–]MezozoicGaygay male 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I haven't watched the movie, but I know this story very well, as I lived close to that place. Chikatilo was molesting children when he worked as a teacher, and raped teen sportswomen in school before he started his rape-killing streak. There can be hundreds of young victims who survived, and hundred who were murdered by him, out of 120 cases he was accused only 43 were proven to be his victims. You reminded me dark times, I or father were following my mother in the evenings, just in case, after Chikatilo was caught, as people realized such thing is possible, so everyone started to afraid such people.

Chikatilo case is also very good example how USSR were hiding criminals, as during that time and previously it was said that only capitalism can made maniacs, and in communistic society it is just impossible, so police was often closing eyes on maniacs, or caughting them and being very silent that they exist. Chikatilo was just way too big of a case to stay unknown.

I was victim of such gay sweepings, but it was after Chikatilo, right before USSR collapse, but they found nothing, just denunciation of neighbourghs that I am living with a man, so maybe we are doing something wrong, so I only spend half a year on unpaid work. If I would caught second time or they "found" evidence I had homosexual sex - then I could end up in prison or mental asylum with future "sex-reassignment" surgery.

And with blaming on homosexuals there were even more, - even two slurs that homosexual men are called are both coming from "pederast", one is "peedor" and other is more soft "pedik", both meaning exclusively homosexual men (nowadays also can mean just bad person), it is mostly because homosexual men were all blamed in molesting kids, so gay and pederast were almost synonyms. Homosexual women were believed to not exist at all, so unlike men, who could get into prison or get executed - lesbnians were almost always sent into mental asylums with heavy medicamental treatment (I've heard a lot of stories about them getting pregnant there or ending lives with suicide, but I don't know anyone in person to know if that was true or not). Nowaydas those slurs do not have "pederast" sub-meaning to them, and just anti-gay slurs.

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Mezz, so sorry you went through that. The movie "Citizen X" clearly shows that in the USSR, persecution of homosexuals, particularly gay men, was not just sanctioned but actively encouraged by the government. It's not the main topic of the movie, but a theme that comes through loud and clear and which I found haunting.

I hope you are well and in a place where you are safe from such inhumane treatment.

[–]MezozoicGaygay male 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I was decently lucky, unlike some people I know, but thank you.