Discuss with just facts?

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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

Disagree. Overall women are safer if any and all males are excluded from female spaces.

But are people overall safer was the issue, not just a subset of those people.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

I already addressed this. If you’re not concerned about “just a subset of people” then there’s no way to argue that TW need to use female spaces. TW are the subset. Women are not. TW aren’t even a subset of women or females.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Considering trans people make up about 1% of the human population, it’s safe to say that overall, people are safe with sex based spaces remaining sex based. At least roughly 99% of people are safe.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

I'm sorry but you're redefining the meaning of "people overall" if you mean people to only mean cis women. Cis women are irrefutably a subset of the people in this situation because the situation involves both them and trans women as those are the groups we're discussing.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Lmao women are a subset of humans. Men are as well. So TW are a subset of a subset and you still don’t make sense.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Funny the opposite is true from my perspective as you were the one claiming women aren't a subset of everyone:

TW are the subset. Women are not.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (15 children)

😂😂😂

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Also what's with the fake laughing. Are you attempting to mock me or something? Because again I thought you wanted to take emotions out of this conversations?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

I find your comments amusing and impossible to take seriously. That’s why I’m ending the back and forth. You can’t prove factually that transwomen are women. If you could you would have. You won’t even offer an alternate definition even though you keep rejecting the one most people know. There’s no conversation to be had if you won’t actually offer facts. Philosophy is not fact. TWAW is certainly not a fact. I don’t understand how you stand behind and argument that definitions aren’t fixed, as if you don’t understand that almost every person in the world accepts these definitions and they make perfect sense. It scares me to see how easily you and masks can warp things to try to justify what you want. I have to pull back and I have to laugh because if I don’t I will genuinely start to feel fear. The inability of males who claim to be women to respect women is terrifying to me. If you respected women, you’d leave us and our spaces alone. And if you truly were women, you’d understand why women don’t want to have you forced on us. Just my opinion. I’m too drained to word things better.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

You can’t prove factually that transwomen are women

Of course I can't just like you can't prove that they aren't. Opinions aren't facts

You won’t even offer an alternate definition even though you keep rejecting the one most people know

Yes I have:

"then a woman is someone who instinctually identifies with the group of people who posses a certain range of physical traits (which would include people whom you'd deem male, intersex m/f, or female)"

I don’t understand how you stand behind and argument that definitions aren’t fixed, as if you don’t understand that almost every person in the world accepts these definitions and they make perfect sense.

Because the truth is the truth no matter how many say it isn't?

It scares me to see how easily you and masks can warp things to try to justify what you want.

Like how saying cis women both are and aren't a subset of the people in this conversation. Still not sure what you were getting at saying that.

The inability of males who claim to be women to respect women is terrifying to me

You call it respect, I call it bigotry.

And if you truly were women, you’d understand why women don’t want to have you forced on us.

This is silly and sexist. If all true women supposedly would understand other women not wanting to be around them, then why are 5% of sexually assaults on cis women perpetrated by cis women? Perhaps their just out of tune with the hive mind you seem to presume exists?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Lmao like I said- there’s no point in discussing with you. Words have meaning, and you just want to change those meanings to suit your personal feelings. That’s ridiculous and narcissism at it’s finest. Women and transwomen are not the same and the only thing we have in common is being human. Force yourself on us all you want. We clearly can’t stop you. But you’re never going to convince us all to take you seriously and see you as women and not the pinnacle of misogynistic males. The truth is the truth no matter how many say it isn’t, I agree. Women are female. Males are not women and cannot become female. This is the truth. You can say it’s not as much as you need to to comfort yourself lol. I’m done talking to you. We will get nowhere.