Is the "RudeFem" Stereotype Desirable to GC or Is It An Unfortunate Association?

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[–]LemurLemur[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I see. Well, thanks for responding, even if it was annoying for you.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The only thing that’s annoying is when the non gc users open the door for a worthwhile discussion, only to slam the door immediately after. We come here to debate, but the non gc users seem to not want to debate, ever.

[–]LemurLemur[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I can't say I'm shocked that few non-GC people are motivated to stay long. Unstructured debate where people degrade to insults tends to just feel like fighting.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don’t think people jump to insults. It’s when people make point after point, address everything that’s asked, and ask questions of their own repeatedly that we start to get “rude”. You can look at any thread aimed at gc and see us attempt to answer, and do so politely, only to have our responses either twisted or ignored. I genuinely believe the reason non gc users don’t debate is because they don’t have strong arguments and aren’t used to needing to have them. The excuse of the sub being unstructured doesn’t work for me. Anyone who believes firmly in something should be able to articulate themselves clearly and address what’s said to them. I even acknowledged that I was intentionally saying something rude to make my point. There were other responses from other users that weren’t rude that you didn’t really address, so my rudeness isn’t an excuse for you not responding to the users who weren’t rude imo. It’s not just you, it’s almost all non gc users. Looking at the last few posts aimed at gc, it’s very clear. I can and have debated many times without being rude. I don’t get responses or get accused of being rude because I view things differently. There’s a user here who’s known for calling us all rude and hateful just for referring to them as male. When that’s your baseline for rudeness- just stating a fact- there’s no avoiding gc people being called rude.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Op did not want answers from us so much as for us all to select one of two prepared answers.

‘No, we are all perfect angels” Or “no manners are an illusion and must be eliminated”

There’s no room for gc to actually contain individuals or women with their own ideas. Pick one of ops predetermined opinions as an answer or I guess we should all just hush.

[–]adungitit 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Asking vague unproductive questions and then ignoring any counterpoints, being unable to expand on your claims and calling any demand to do so "rude" and "insulting" is not how a productive discussion is held.

If the kind of structured debate you expect is "Don't question anything I say and just nod your head to validate me", then yes, a discussion between GC and non-GC people is impossible, and that is indeed the main reason why trans ideology cannot survive these discussions and has to rely on "niceness" and "politeness" in order to have their arguments accepted. That doesn't really count as a discussion at that point, though. GC puts up with talks of how they deserve to get killed and raped on a regular basis, trans activists cannot say the same of their talks with GC. And yet GC is still the side that's capable, in spite of staggering amounts of misogyny and straight up death wishes, to rationalise their stance, while the trans side halts all discussion the second they don't get an agreement on the basis of "because I said so and you should be nice and not invalidate my feelings".