Is the "RudeFem" Stereotype Desirable to GC or Is It An Unfortunate Association?

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[–]LemurLemur[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Did you make a post about gc women being rude and then have the nerve comment asking if we (gc) distinguish between the trans people who send death threats ans the ones who don’t?

I made a post asking about gc/rudeness. And in follow up to a response that suggested "it doesn't matter if we're nice, they will send death threats anyway", I asked for clarification as to whether they distinguished which trans people did what. I am glad I did, too, as I appreciate the clarification it received.

But just because not all trans people are sending us death threats, that doesn’t mean we feel inclined to sacrifice our rights and spaces to the ones who don’t.

I never said you should.

Are you able to distinguish between rude and polite gc people?

Yes. You have been rude and insulted me. worried19 did neither, and was still able to communicate her answer well. I would say she was very polite, articulate and answered in good faith. It very much helped the discourse run smoothly.

You just said that on the old sub you saw many of us getting along and being courteous- so why are you even asking this question?

Because everyone seems to be getting meaner and I am curious if it's intentional or not.

If I meet a TW who can leave women, our language, our spaces, our sports, etc alone- he’d have all of my respect and there’d be no resentment or rudeness towards him.

I mean, you are even being overtly rude towards me, and I'm not even a TW, nor have I said women should have to give up any of those things.

You seem to think that sending threats and verbally harassing women who don’t agree with TW is the only way that they are upsetting or harassing women- it’s not. There are myriad ways that even the nicest, most self aware even gender critical transwomen are still offending and oppressing females.

That’s still invasive. That’s still infringing on our rights. And they get treated as such by us

Am i making sense?

Yes.

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the reason other users are saying your line of questioning is annoying is because you refuse to answer our questions or address our points.

Also, you keep saying this, and I keep re-reading and I'm trying to answer everything in good faith. I'm sorry you're getting annoyed by this. What question did you want me to answer, that I might have missed? Though I don't think my opinions are really relevant when I'm trying to learn about you, I really do want to answer as best I can.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I didn’t accuse you of anything nor did I mistake you for a transwoman. You made a post, and commented on it, I replied to your comment. Clearly, other people understand where I’m coming from and you are the one who doesn’t get what I’m saying. That’s okay, and it’s okay if you don’t want any clarification. My point is- it’s not so simple as saying “gc women are called rude, are you okay with that”. If you only wanted yes/no responses, you should have said that. It sounds like you’re saying we aren’t answering your question because we are expanding on it. And I find that a bit odd. Also, you calling me rude and saying another gc user isn’t rude is exactly my point- we as a whole are being called rude when not all of us are. The other point many of us are making is that we are being called rude solely for viewing sex/gender differently, no matter how we phrase it. Even if we are open to sharing spaces and using preferred pronouns, if we don’t think TWAW- we are rude and hateful. We are being called rude for not sharing the ideology of tras and some trans people. That’s worth noting and discussing. If that wasn’t a discussion you wanted to have them I understand that, that doesn’t mean that we aren’t going to discuss it anyway though.

I also don’t think that people are getting meaner, I think we are just done with dancing around what we are trying to articulate, and are speaking more bluntly.