Trans people/QT: What is the best or most important thing gender critical people can do to help you?

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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Sex based rights don't exist when males are able to enter women's safe places to protect our own safety so no we can't just have both and gender identity according to everyone I've asked is "just a feeling" impossible to define legally so a terrible thing to base rights on

Protections for both absolutely could exist in tandem. And difficulty defining a group doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be given legal protections.

I sincerely doubt you are mocked and made fun of every day. If you live in some place where that actually happens I'm truly sorry but my experience is that trans people are far more accepted in society than they were 20 or 30 years ago.

You are entitled to your doubt but you are quite wrong. My life is a joke and people are not shy about pointing that out.

[–]DistantGlimmer 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Protections for both absolutely could exist in tandem. And difficulty defining a group doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be given legal protections.

You seem to have some sort of legal background so surely you must be aware that it's impossible to define who is trans in legal terms. Even if we limit it to people with dysphoria we need to define what dysphoria is in some sort of tangible way.

You completely glossed over my point that sex-based rights and gender identity rights cannot exist in tandem because they are fundamentally in conflict with each other.

I am sorry you face discrimination. My intention was nnot to doubt your experiences with this. I hope things improve for you in this area.

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You seem to have some sort of legal background so surely you must be aware that it's impossible to define who is trans in legal terms.

It’s actually not. You just need to decide where the legal line is. It could be identity, hormones, document change, or with diagnosed dysphoria per the DSM. Anywhere you want to put the line can be the line and draft the laws accordingly.

You completely glossed over my point that sex-based rights and gender identity rights cannot exist in tandem because they are fundamentally in conflict with each other.

They aren’t fundamentally in conflict. Protections for gender identity in say housing discrimination or job discrimiation can just be listed right alongside. When it comes to private spaces more spaces could be built. You are claiming there is a fundamental xonfolict when I don’t believe there is even though there could be (Or not) a conflict based on the current status. There needn’t be a conflict.

I am sorry you face discrimination. My intention was nnot to doubt your experiences with this. I hope things improve for you in this area.

I appreciate that.

[–]DistantGlimmer 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It could be identity, hormones, document change, or with diagnosed dysphoria per the DSM.

None of which are objective legal criteria. All rely on self-declaration to some extent and are open to abuse and dishonesty.

When it comes to private spaces more spaces could be built. You are claiming there is a fundamental xonfolict when I don’t believe there is even though there could be (Or not) a conflict based on the current status. There needn’t be a conflict.

Building more separate spaces for trans people would be a solution but that goes against gender identity which states that trans people are the gender they say they are and are entitled to those spaces. This is in conflict with sex-based rights which say spaces should be segregated based on biological sex. I don't think trans rights are necessarily in conflict with women's sex-based rights. I specifically used the term gender identity because that is where I think the conflict lies