GC: If GC achieves it’s goal around trans issues, what happens to trans people?

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[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don' t doubt that you have body dysphoria. What I meant is that the gatekeeping I would allow would require for no social dysphoria as well. In short, only people with only body dysphoria would be allowed to get the surgery/hormones. Because if the problem is that you hate your body, then it makes sense that you find a way to change it (I disagree that it' s a good way to go, but I can see why certain people would and I would accept it), but if you hate the social status you have, then allowing medical procedures to fit in better is unethical and regressive.

I would also require a way to prove that it' s an objective diagnosis, which means that psychological evaluation would probably not be enough.

As far as I remember, you have always stated that one of the biggest reasons you want to be considered a woman is that you hate the category of men and don' t want to be associated with it: that would be considered a social issue and would work against you in gaining the possibility of medically transitioning.

That' s why I said I would prefer for it to be considered a cosmetic surgery and that the number of people allowed to transition would be higher in that case: I think it' s pretty impossible to find a person who only has body dysphoria and wasn' t affected by society/sex roles/stereotypes/socialization. That would mean that virtually no person would be allowed to transition, you included.

On the other hand, as I said, cosmetic surgery would eventually drop its prices, allowing way more people to get it.

[–]IceColdLover 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What I meant is that the gatekeeping I would allow would require for no social dysphoria as well.

I didn't even think of this when making my list above but I agree with it. People with social dysphoria around gender roles should not be given hormones nor therapy, which are medical treatments, for something that is a social and societal issue.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Therapy would probably be a good idea. It is something that people with social problems would benefit from regardless of why they have those problems.

Of course it wouldn' t be of the affirming kind: it wouldn' t be the "yes, if you feel bad being a boy, it' s because you' re a girl", it owuld be the "you feel bad being a boy because boys are described a certain way and you don' t recognize yourself into it: now let' s talk about how there are many ways to be a boy, including yours".

I mean, you have therapy for literally anything, sometimes people just need to vent or discuss stuff with someone who won' t really judge them. So I think it should be allowed and that it would be helpful.

But hormones and surgery? Absolutely not. There' s a huge difference between having conversations about your problems and getting freaking surgery that you don' t physically need because of a social problem. It' s nonsense.

[–]IceColdLover 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree with this completely.