The legitimacy or illegitimacy of self-identification as the opposite sex (more colloquially but incorrectly known as "gender identity") aside, distinguishing between the sexes is justified, but distinguishing between trans-women & men isn't

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[–]comradeconradical 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The liquid discharge that some male nipples secrete is not breast milk and will not nourish a baby.

It's not comparable and fallacious to compare the two. Transwomens' breasts are indeed purely aesthetic.

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

It's not fallacious. I don't expect you to know of the case where a trans woman was able to breast feed [after a strict hormone regiment, but that's to be expected]. But Id expect you to be curious and Google search, before calling bullshit.

[–]comradeconradical 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

lmao I did google 'male nipple discharge' which can be caused by low testosterone, and is still not breastmilk.

And the experimental trans lactation that occurred in one case is not breastmilk either and was not recommended for infant consumption. More interesting and relevant I think would be to look at non-mother females who are induced to breastfeed. Would even they have the proper breastmilk to feed a baby, having never given birth? Because if you didn't know, women lactate after giving birth, which involves massive hormonal fluctuations and biological triggers.

I'd expect you to actually care about the nutrients we feed babies when considering the functionality of breasts. But, I'm always vigilant when hearing trans people talking about lactation, because if you weren't aware, it's at the very worst a fetish that comes up often enough along with menstruation simulation.

In summary, yeah I still don't see how you can consider a transwomen's breasts as actually functional beyond aesthetics :)

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Not sure where you got the "not recommended for infant consumption" part from. No article I can find on the subject mentions that. Actually quite the opposite.

Maybe we're talking different cases? Mine is from. 2018. Best article is in the NYT. Also male nipple discharge may not be the best term to Google this topic.

[–]comradeconradical 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, the one from 2017 says its not recommended for infant consumption, and the one from 2018 says it's unknown if it has the same nutrients as female breast milk. And considering how transwomen are on a steady diet of artificial hormones, which would go into the milk if it's actually anything like real breastfeeding, then no one in their right mind would feed a baby with it.

Not sure where you're getting "quite the opposite", because the only positive discussed is for the transwomen who want "the full woman experience" which is cringey enough in itself and has nothing to do with infant care.

To reiterate my main argument here because we clearly won't agree on this subtopic: medical treatment does not change sex. Transwomen are not women nor are they men. They are male, and they are transwomen. They can never be female or know what that truly entails. There are measurable differences between the sexes and these are important to consider regarding health and law.