Americans: Who the hell are you voting for?

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[–]SnowAssMan 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

It was confirmed ages ago that Kavanaugh has not & will not make any attempt to overturn Roe v Wade, you political ignoramus. Uninformed voters are a huge reason the USA is such a mess. Voting Hillary got you Hillary 2.0, voting Hillary 2.0 will get you Hillary 3.0. Have some standards. Show the party you're not a guaranteed voter. Vote green, thereby making your vote more valuable to the Dem party, thereby pulling it left.

[–]emptiedriver 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

do you think the executive branch only has power over one judge's seat? It isn't just the supreme court but the entire judicial branch that is affected by the administration in office. That is one of the main things that the president can do.

This is no time to "pull the country left". If we lose this election, the DNC won't say, oh darn we should go more left next time - first off because believe it or not, voting for someone else isn't a clear message. Some people will vote further right. Some people will vote for no one. If you want to push things left, vote for left wing city council members and state senators and work with your local labor union. But more relevant, if we lose this election it's not clear there will be a next time.

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

the entire judicial branch that is affected by the administration in office

You don't say. What was Obama's track record? Do you even know, or do you just make assumptions based on colour? How very American of you.

the DNC won't say, oh darn we should go more left next time

Hello? Anybody home? If Dem voters vote for Trump then obviously the Dem party won't think to offer anything left-wing – duh. But did I say to vote for Trump, or did I say to vote Green? If the DNC sees a substantial number of Dem voters voted Green then that'll show them that they need to compromise & offer something for left-wing voters or else continue losing.

Stop referring to the Democratic Party as "we", you were never invited. Those they respect they bribe, those they don't respect they blackmail & you have obviously been blackmailed with your "it's not clear there will be a next time" – whose fault is that btw? People who voted Hillary, instead of their conscience last time. Being forced to vote for appointed leaders is not participating in democracy. It's the same as abstaining, except it makes you feel good/influential.

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    [–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS[M] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Remove for violating sub rules (misogyny).

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    You don't say. What was Obama's track record? Do you even know, or do you just make assumptions based on colour? How very American of you.

    More likely they were making assumptions based on political party. Also I'm looking at his list of nominees and they seem pretty good. What was wrong with them?

    If the DNC sees a substantial number of Dem voters voted Green then that'll show them that they need to compromise & offer something for left-wing voters or else continue losing.

    Not guaranteed. After Romney's defeat Republicans turned more right-wing even though most of the party establishment believed the opposite was required. In any case that would ensure the defeat of democrats in every election until this assumed change of perspective takes place in the DNC

    People who voted Hillary, instead of their conscience last time.

    My conscience led me to reject making perfection the enemy of good

    [–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    Kavanaugh is a rapist and a liar. Plus, even if that was true, Trump will get probably two more choices if he wins re-election. Also, they don’t even need to overturn Roe to restrict women’s access to abortion. They will just allow states to place restrictions on it that make it functionally impossible for women to access abortion. Many of these laws passed after Kavanaugh was place on the court. There are challenges to them moving through the courts right now. I feel like you have no understanding of this issue and the real life implications for women.

    [–]SnowAssMan 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Plus, even if that was true

    Just check it for yourself.

    Also, they don’t even need to overturn Roe to restrict women’s access to abortion

    Correct, they don't need the Supreme Court or the president in order to do that, since they've been successfully doing it throughout Obama's tenure. So how is voting for Milktoast-Obama going to solve problems like "crisis pregnancy centres" outnumbering abortion clinics? Plus Obama's neoliberal SC pick was no different from Kavanaugh. No matter who is president both house will be red, that's how you Americans always do it.

    Access to abortion is a systemic problem that voting once for one guy will never solve. You realise "abortion clinics" are an American thing, just like "liquor stores", right? The rest of the world has abortions in hospitals & sells liquor in regular stores. What Americans consider morally corrupt they separate.

    I feel like you have no understanding of this issue and the real life implications for women

    If voting for Hillary & Obama didn't solve said problem, how would voting for Biden do so? Things weren't better under Obama, remember? This election is over, voting Hillary last time ensured that. It's all about the long-game, the big picture. The vote you cast this election will determine next election's choices – & that's literally all it will determine, it, & nothing else, just like last time. This vote is only a tiny bit of power with only a tiny potential effect, TV likes to convince us otherwise. Voting doesn't have big, or immediate effects.

    If you had to do it over again, would you throw your vote away on Hillary in 2016, knowing now what happens? Because by voting for Biden this time, that's exactly what you're doing.

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    Incorrect and irrelevant besides. The difference in opinion between Biden and Trump concerning climate change justifies a Biden vote alone. Also voting green to signal to the democratic party is a foolish strategy and would ensure defeat in every election long before any hypothetical change occured. If you want more liberal democrats than people should vote for more liberal candidates in the primary and more importantly get involved in politics yourself. Chamge from without is more noticeable but change from within is how shit gets done

    [–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Here is the part of my comment you are ignoring:

    This election is over, voting Hillary last time ensured that. It's all about the long-game, the big picture. The vote you cast this election will determine next election's choices – & that's literally all it will determine, it, & nothing else, just like last time. This vote is only a tiny bit of power with only a tiny potential effect, TV likes to convince us otherwise. Voting doesn't have dramatic, or immediate effects.

    If you want more liberal democrats than people should vote for more liberal candidates in the primary

    Have you not been keeping up? The DNC rigged the primary elections in 2016 & this year among other things to ensure the progressive candidates weren't options. They know progressive voters will vote for the established candidates either way, which is why we shouldn't vote for established candidates either way.

    Voting for blue Republicans is voting for the status quo.

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    This election is over, voting Hillary last time ensured that. It's all about the long-game, the big picture. The vote you cast this election will determine next election's choices – & that's literally all it will determine, it, & nothing else, just like last time. This vote is only a tiny bit of power with only a tiny potential effect, TV likes to convince us otherwise. Voting doesn't have dramatic, or immediate effects.

    I don't agree with your take on what the best option in this situation is.

    Have you not been keeping up? The DNC rigged the primary elections in 2016 & this year among other things to ensure the progressive candidates weren't options. They know progressive voters will vote for the established candidates either way, which is why we shouldn't vote for established candidates either way.

    Yes and we moved the party more to left by participating and thus helped the progressive cause more then your strategy of voting green would do

    [–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yes and we moved the party more to left by participating and thus helped the progressive cause more then your strategy of voting green would do

    lol no, all you do by voting Biden in the general is prove to the DNC that progressive voters have no spines & "nowhere else to go" & thus can be ignored.

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    Kavanuagh said in a 2003 that he doesn't consider the matter of Roe vs Wade settled and that in any case courts could overturn it's own precedent. In another court case he argued against letting an immigrant girl recieve a timely abortion, and in 2020 he disagreed with a majority opinion that a law that could have closed the last three abortion clinics in Louisiana was to restrictive. He's also a lying rapist He represents a major threat to abortion rights if given half a chance, don't kid yourself