Americans: Who the hell are you voting for?

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[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Kavanaugh is a rapist and a liar. Plus, even if that was true, Trump will get probably two more choices if he wins re-election. Also, they don’t even need to overturn Roe to restrict women’s access to abortion. They will just allow states to place restrictions on it that make it functionally impossible for women to access abortion. Many of these laws passed after Kavanaugh was place on the court. There are challenges to them moving through the courts right now. I feel like you have no understanding of this issue and the real life implications for women.

[–]SnowAssMan 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Plus, even if that was true

Just check it for yourself.

Also, they don’t even need to overturn Roe to restrict women’s access to abortion

Correct, they don't need the Supreme Court or the president in order to do that, since they've been successfully doing it throughout Obama's tenure. So how is voting for Milktoast-Obama going to solve problems like "crisis pregnancy centres" outnumbering abortion clinics? Plus Obama's neoliberal SC pick was no different from Kavanaugh. No matter who is president both house will be red, that's how you Americans always do it.

Access to abortion is a systemic problem that voting once for one guy will never solve. You realise "abortion clinics" are an American thing, just like "liquor stores", right? The rest of the world has abortions in hospitals & sells liquor in regular stores. What Americans consider morally corrupt they separate.

I feel like you have no understanding of this issue and the real life implications for women

If voting for Hillary & Obama didn't solve said problem, how would voting for Biden do so? Things weren't better under Obama, remember? This election is over, voting Hillary last time ensured that. It's all about the long-game, the big picture. The vote you cast this election will determine next election's choices – & that's literally all it will determine, it, & nothing else, just like last time. This vote is only a tiny bit of power with only a tiny potential effect, TV likes to convince us otherwise. Voting doesn't have big, or immediate effects.

If you had to do it over again, would you throw your vote away on Hillary in 2016, knowing now what happens? Because by voting for Biden this time, that's exactly what you're doing.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Incorrect and irrelevant besides. The difference in opinion between Biden and Trump concerning climate change justifies a Biden vote alone. Also voting green to signal to the democratic party is a foolish strategy and would ensure defeat in every election long before any hypothetical change occured. If you want more liberal democrats than people should vote for more liberal candidates in the primary and more importantly get involved in politics yourself. Chamge from without is more noticeable but change from within is how shit gets done

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Here is the part of my comment you are ignoring:

This election is over, voting Hillary last time ensured that. It's all about the long-game, the big picture. The vote you cast this election will determine next election's choices – & that's literally all it will determine, it, & nothing else, just like last time. This vote is only a tiny bit of power with only a tiny potential effect, TV likes to convince us otherwise. Voting doesn't have dramatic, or immediate effects.

If you want more liberal democrats than people should vote for more liberal candidates in the primary

Have you not been keeping up? The DNC rigged the primary elections in 2016 & this year among other things to ensure the progressive candidates weren't options. They know progressive voters will vote for the established candidates either way, which is why we shouldn't vote for established candidates either way.

Voting for blue Republicans is voting for the status quo.

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This election is over, voting Hillary last time ensured that. It's all about the long-game, the big picture. The vote you cast this election will determine next election's choices – & that's literally all it will determine, it, & nothing else, just like last time. This vote is only a tiny bit of power with only a tiny potential effect, TV likes to convince us otherwise. Voting doesn't have dramatic, or immediate effects.

I don't agree with your take on what the best option in this situation is.

Have you not been keeping up? The DNC rigged the primary elections in 2016 & this year among other things to ensure the progressive candidates weren't options. They know progressive voters will vote for the established candidates either way, which is why we shouldn't vote for established candidates either way.

Yes and we moved the party more to left by participating and thus helped the progressive cause more then your strategy of voting green would do

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes and we moved the party more to left by participating and thus helped the progressive cause more then your strategy of voting green would do

lol no, all you do by voting Biden in the general is prove to the DNC that progressive voters have no spines & "nowhere else to go" & thus can be ignored.