PenisNews takes up the cudgel against traaaaaaaansphoooobic lesbian dating up by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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There is definitely a TRA to GC pipeline.

PenisNews takes up the cudgel against traaaaaaaansphoooobic lesbian dating up by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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"Sex & gender are not the same thing. How does a single SEX space exclude transGENDER people? Stop conflating sex & gender. Educate yourself. A transgender person is someone whose gender & sex are mismatched, therefore a trans-woman's sex is male" – use their language against them. Their "sex vs. gender" BS will always massively backfire.

Grindr even accepts "straight" men (bi-curious & gynandromorphophiles) though too, as well as "trans-womxyn". Why don't they mention all the inconvenient identities that use Grindr?

The Transgender Debate is Over. by SnowAssMan in GenderCritical

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"Gender/sex is real" is not a punchline. It's the kind of thing an audience is meant to applaud, not laugh at. Are you telling me you didn't know that?

How is it PC to say "gender" when referring to the sexes? Is it PC to say "gender reveal party" too? You're failing to recognise that regular people say "gender" to mean the same thing that you mean when you say "sex".

Anyway, since you don't know why Chappelle said "gender" when he was obviously talking about biology, then you'll just have to trust me when I say that "gender" is what regular people use as an umbrella term for the sexes.

The Trans Movement Is Not About Rights Anymore - great blog post from Andrew Sullivan by GayBoner in LGBDropTheT

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they always say that detransition is rare & that suicide is common, despite detransition being more common than suicide, even when using the lowest estimate of detransition.

The article says there is no "perfect" solution to transgender athletes – yes, there is: male athletes not competing in women's sports. If "sex & gender are not the same" then sex-segregation is not "misgendering".

For all the TERFs out there... by Chunkeeguy in GenderCritical

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Why did he post another picture of himself, when his profile pic already demonstrates just how big his forehead is already? A substantial percentage of that forehead is scalp.

If all cells can turn into sperm and egg, why doesn't that mean everyone is both men and women at the same time? by UwUness2 in GenderCritical

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wrong sub. you want the debate one.

The Transgender Debate is Over. by SnowAssMan in GenderCritical

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Again, why do you think Chappelle changed "sex is real" to "gender is real"? Does it demonstrate that outside the feminist vs. TRA bubble "gender" = "sex", or is there some other reason?

Sex may have two meanings, but so does gender. Why pretend that no one could possibly be confused by a word having two meanings, when "gender's" two meanings confuses you? You've made a point not to use the word "gender" as a result, meanwhile Chappelle is avoiding using the word "sex", bc he is talking to regular people. He wants to be taken seriously. If he had said "sex is real" to regular people they'd either laugh or be confused. Maybe you don't expect anything you say ever to reach regular people.

Either way, boycotting the word "gender" seems pretty pointless – counter-productive even. Conversely, Chappelle demonstrated that using "gender" instead of "sex" actually makes sense, if you want to comprehensively convey a GC message to regular people.

Qt, Why is gender so important? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

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Please stop mistaking this discussion for a previous one. You opted to say "gender" instead of "transgender identity", or "gender identity". Is there a reason for that, or do you regard them all as synonyms? You say, you mean what qt means when they say "gender", but they say all sorts of strange things, usually the opposite of the truth. They don't say "sex", for instance. They say "assigned sex at birth", or "natal sex" – if you had used either of these terms, I would have questioned that too, bc they are nonsense terms regardless of who uses them.

MT keeps trying to assure me that gender refers to masculinity & femininity. Apparently she is the only one who who thinks that.

Anyway, would replacing "gender" with "gender identity" in your OP have changed the meaning in any way?

Qt, Why is gender so important? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

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I'm not going to make assumptions, I'll leave that to the experts, like HP. If she means "transgender identity" or "gender identity", why would she opt to say "gender"? I just want to know what she understands "gender" to mean & how it is different from "gender identity".

Qt, Why is gender so important? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

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The neo genders aren't the ones you take issue with, are they? Can you name a couple of genders? Bc you still haven't managed to name any.

Qt, Why is gender so important? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

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Do you mean "transgender identity"(?), as in "What makes transgender identity more important than one’s sex legally, medically, and socially?"

What does "gender" mean to you? Can you name a couple of genders?

The Transgender Debate is Over. by SnowAssMan in GenderCritical

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I read somewhere that people find more than 3 examples to be untrustworthy & difficult to digest/remember. So I prefer using fewer, straight-forward, strong examples. I have re-written most of it to be more focused & more attractive to the more JKR-minded reader. What do you think(?):

The Transgender Debate On Female-Only Terms & Spaces is Over.

J.K. Rowling said women are in danger of rape & murder by men, including men who want to be the opposite sex. Men who want to be the opposite sex responded by sending her rape & death threats, thereby proving her point & ending the debate once & for all, in an own goal.

J.K. Rowling wouldn’t be married to a man if she believed that all men are predators. Like most people, she just recognises that female-only prisons, shelters & sports need to remain female-only in order to remain safe.

• Male sex-offenders have been assaulting female prisoners ever since they’ve been allowed in women’s prisons.

• Male athletes have been breaking women’s records & skulls ever since they’ve been allowed to compete against female athletes.

Protecting trans-identified males from human rights violations, like wrongful eviction & redundancy, doesn’t require them to be legally recognised as women. Making female-only terms & spaces male-inclusive is not a right, it’s male-entitlement. Male-only terms & spaces are already male-inclusive.

A person’s biological sex may be irrelevant 99% of the time, but female-only spaces are that 1% exception.

Trans-identified males only have trivial reasons for using female-only terms & spaces, but their movement is willing to tell any lie in order to pressure you into complying with its demands. So don’t be taken in by the manipulative “think of the suicidal trans kids” hype, because it’s all a myth.

• According to EVERY study on desistance, childhood gender dysphoria is temporary & an indication of latent homosexuality, not trans identity.

• The detransition rate is higher than the suicide rate, which is under 1%.

• Trans-identified murderers outnumber trans-identified murder victims (which have been <1 annually, in the UK; none motivated by transmisandry).

• According to a meta-analysis, the sexed brain of trans-identified males is almost identically to any other male’s, making “binary transgender identity” impossible, & even “non-binary identity” a stretch. Even gay men’s brains share some similarities with women’s, so if gay men are 100% male, then so are trans-identified males.

Even the scientific literature on the subject, like the DSM-V, describes trans-assigned males as men & never as women. There is a gaping chasm of difference between scientific consensus & trans activist claims. There isn’t a single science excerpt that even implies that an adult human male could ever be a woman.

The unsubstantiated claim that trans-identified males are women, is not only unnecessary for the pursuit of their basic human rights, & compromising of women’s rights, it’s also pseudoscientific.

The debate is over. “Trans-woman” is a euphemism for “male woman”. There is no such thing as a “male woman”, therefore there is no such thing as a “trans-woman”, only a trans-identified male. A trans-identified male wants to be female & pretends to be female, but he will never amount to being female. ‘Woman’, ‘girl’ & ‘female’ are female-only terms. Women’s prisons, sports & shelters are female-only spaces. Language & law are not playgrounds for men’s gender-swap role-play.

Remember, it costs trans-identified males literally NOTHING to continue using the male-only terms & spaces that they used before they identified as trans. Femboys manage it just fine. Any movement conspiring to make female-only terms & spaces unisex, is an anti-woman hate group that prioritises male role-play over female safety.

Pass it on.

The Transgender Debate is Over. by SnowAssMan in GenderCritical

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I'm not being disingenuous, I'm in touch with the average person, like Chappelle is. Most people don't know the Maya Forstater backstory behind that tweet. Why do you think Chappelle made the conscious or unconscious decision to translate JKR's words from "sex is real" to "gender is real"?

Only feminists & TRAs say "sex & gender are not the same". But their actions always contradict it. If within feminism sex-roles & gender-roles are synonyms then sex & gender are synonyms within feminism. The original sentiment behind "sex & gender are different" was that gender refers to masculinity & femininity. You won't find anyone, not even feminists, who understands gender to only refer to masculinity & femininity today. So can we stop insisting that sex & gender are different, since those are empty words with no meaning behind them?

The Transgender Debate is Over. by SnowAssMan in GenderCritical

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"Sexes" only has one meaning, so your example fails as an example. "Sex is real" is not clear, to the average person, even within context.

Dave Chappelle's translation was necessary. His show is mainstream, feminist theory is not. If you want to disseminate feminist ideas to the general public you have to first speak their language & stop living in denial & stop using exceptions as an excuse, especially since exceptions prove the rule.

Both: How do you feel about the terms "female man", "male man", "female woman", and "male woman"? by comradeconradical in GCdebatesQT

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TRAs have moved on from that. Nowadays TRAs have made it quite clear that the words girl, woman & even 'female' all describe a social construct which any man can identify with (synonyms for femininity). Likewise they have decided that there should be no way of describing the sexes, not even while piling a bunch of euphemisms on top. Take "AMAB", for instance. "Assigned male" is not even indirectly acknowledging the fact that the person is male.

That's why no one should give them an inch. Man & woman are not social constructs, masculinity & femininity are. Man & woman, like male & female are single-sex terms.

Even "feminised male" would be pushing it. But if a man feminises his name (which is the very least that they do) then it'd at least be accurate.

The Transgender Debate is Over. by SnowAssMan in GenderCritical

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My post is in the public domain now. You can cannibalise any bits that you may find helpful & discard the bits you mayn't.

The Transgender Debate is Over. by SnowAssMan in GenderCritical

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"The opposite sex" & "unisex" & "single-sex" & "same-sex" & "sex-characteristics" are terms in themselves which cannot be compared to using "sex" on its own to refer to the sexes – here too the word "sexes" is used as a synonym for a grammatically awkward (or even incorrect) word "genders". Terms like "unigender" don't exist, so why would it surprise you that I don't make up words that don't exist? I can't tell if you genuinely don't understand the difference, or you're just being disingenuous.

Even the DSM-V, which is a medical document, had to take time out explaining what is meant by 'sex'. Bc even among academics "sex" usually means sexual intercourse:

"The area of sex and gender is highly controversial and has led to a proliferation of terms whose meanings vary over time and within and between disciplines. An additional source of confusion is that in English "sex" connotes both male/female and sexuality. This chapter employs constructs and terms as they are widely used by clinicians from various disci­plines with specialization in this area. In this chapter, sex and sexual refer to the biological indicators of male and female (understood in the context of reproductive capacity)".

Within the DSM-V the distinction between sex & gender seems to be limited to the gender dysphoria section, bc throughout the rest of the document, at the end of every section there is a heading called "Gender-Related Diagnostic Issues", which tallies up the differences between the male & female experience/symptoms/prevalence etc. of whatever disorder is under discussion.

I don't know what sort of bubble you live in if the above surprises you, but in English, among the general public & among professionals, "sex" generally means sexual intercourse & "gender" generally refers to the sexes. Saying "sex" on its own only serves to alienate & make the message less accessible. Why else do you think Dave Chappelle translated JKR's "sex is real" Tweet to "gender is real"? Bc he knows, outside the trans vs. feminist debate, gender & sex are synonyms. And he is making jokes for regular people, not some echo-chamber that likes to believe that stipulative definitions overwrite permanent ones.

The Transgender Debate is Over. by SnowAssMan in GenderCritical

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Pathetic. Try harder next time.

The Transgender Debate is Over. by SnowAssMan in GenderCritical

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My point is that even if you're only looking at gender identity, trans=identified males still aren't women. Basically, even their own "logic" dismantles transgender identity.

"The Science of Being Transgender" (Thoughts on this video?) by Kai_Decadence in GenderCritical

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"Brainsex":

The fact that some neuroanatomical, neurophysiological, and neurometabolic features in transgender individuals resemble those of their experienced gender despite the MAJORITY resembling those from their natal sex means that binary transgender identity is impossible. Even a non-binary gender identity conclusion would be a stretch, since the evidence is still weighted in favour of "their natal sex".

"Historical transgender":

Outside the modern day West all these global & historical supposed "transgender" males are all homosexuals. Historical "trans-identified males" are appropriated gay men. In most cultures & throughout history there has been a distinction between gay male "bottoms" & "tops". "Tops" could include gynandromorphophilic men & pederasts, who were otherwise straight. Most cultures have a term for gay men, which they often only use to describe the "passive" ones. These have been appropriated by the trans movement to refer to "third gender" & "transgender".

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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If gender is a synonym for sex then the reverse is also true. However, those are the exceptions. Generally, inside & outside academia gender is used more than sex to refer to the sexes. If you genuinely never noticed then you need to step outside the feminist/TRA bubble.

Even feminism & transgenderism uses gender as a synonym for sex. The synonyms sex-roles & gender-roles illustrate this, so does gender dysphoria being alleviated with the administration of cross-sex hormones.

Everywhere you look gender is referring to sex, even grammatical gender (in English) does this. I don't see what the point in denying this is.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Every feminist who can't accept that sex & gender are synonyms are following Stoller's lead.

You said you weren't "fond" of the term gender identity. Aesthetics.

Your research methods are worryingly lacking. I thought you said you work in the hard sciences. Kohlberg's definition of gender identity is the original one from 1966. It's pretty easy to find, if you're looking for it. If you google things like "the origin of gender" it'll say: John Money 1955, which is incorrect on so many levels, Money coined "gender-roles" in 1955, gender is an ancient term, but apparently you would have just taken the top results as gospel. Maybe one day when you google 'woman' & it regurgitates some TRA definition you can try to distance yourself from that term too.

No one is using Kohlberg's definition besides you

Do you realise that you're saying I'm more informed on this topic than anyone else?

Julie Bindel seems to be using Kohlberg's definition of gender identity here, unfortunately shortening it to gender: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/may/26/how-important-is-gender

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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You're an ignoramus when it comes to feminist theory, making me only an expert by comparison. Prove otherwise.

Arguing with you is exactly like arguing with one of those androcentric choice feminists who can't accept that the word gender is a synonym for sex, even though it's been that way for over 500 years. I "tell off" a lot of people, stop cherry-picking only the female ones. You're not more feminist than I am by virtue of being a woman. You don't even read feminist works. You honestly expect never to be called-out on a feminist forum for being completely unfamiliar with feminist theory?

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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see my previous reply.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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Your man Stoller has been in charge of feminism's re-definition of gender since 1970. Every time you say the equivalent of "sex & gender are not the same thing" you are quoting a man. I'm not making the decision that gender & sex should be regarded as synonyms. I'm just pointing out that they have been synonyms for over 500 years & continue to be synonyms even to this day, using a number of examples within every day life, academia & even feminism & transgenderism.

TRANSPHOBIA HURTS ALL WOMEN by Chunkeeguy in GenderCritical

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sexism hurts all women

All: Is gender identity falsifiable? If so, what would disprove it? by Penultimate_Penance in GCdebatesQT

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Then why did you say: "Identity should be based on who you are not what you are"?

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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Anyway, if the Google search results for "sex a/b/c...etc" didn't surprise you, then you must know that sex = sexual intercourse, unless otherwise stated in a minority of situations.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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TRAs have indeed been taking advantage of feminism's confusing contradiction whenever the claim "sex & gender are not the same", only to use "sex-roles" & "gender-roles" synonymously, thereby proving that sex & gender are synonyms.

Since the general public & most of academia still use gender as a synonym for sex, which is what it always was, maybe feminists could join in with that crowd, instead of sticking rigidly to the gender/sex division that caused the problem to begin with & whose continued support is only making it worse, even though they aren't even consistent with it (the roles example).

You refusal to use gender as a synonym for sex is counter-productive, as has been demonstrated for decades now. There is no evidence to suggest that treating sex & gender as synonyms would have any negative results.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Stoller has been dead for years too, so why should we follow his lead in dividing synonyms into separate terms?

and you're the only one that I'm aware of who wants to re-define "gender identity"

That's like me accusing you of wanting to re-define "woman". Kohlberg's definition of gender identity is the definition of gender identity. TRAs want to re-define both "gender identity" & "woman". And you're willing to capitulate regarding "gender identity", bc, get this, you're not fOnD of the term LOL. Excuse me if an argument of aesthetics fails to convince me. Hopefully you never get displeased with the word "woman".

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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We've already established that I'm literally more of an expert on feminism than you are. So it's not an attitude, just the reality of the situation, which you are at fault for.

There is no way of you knowing whether I've been putting the theory into practise or not, since you are completely unfamiliar with the theory. There are men & women who agree with me & men & women who disagree with me. I've always been aware of that. No idea what relevance that is supposed to have.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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See my previous reply. This is kind of like arguing that zero is a number just bc it's referred to as such for convenient's sake.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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Oh look, yet another false accusation you're unable to substantiate. What awful things did I call you? An ass? Nope, that was you.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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You're the one having a tantrum over me asking you to support your claims. So it's pretty clear which of the two of us has a serious problem.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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Some women agree with me, some disagree with me. Women have a variety of opinions. The fact that your "disengaging" efforts was name-calling is pathetic. Defending your reprehensible behaviour is pathetic. Your continued name-calling is also pathetic. Ad hominem is a verbal attack, an accusation of gas lighting is not an attack. Try harder next time.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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That's not what ad hominem is.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Since she is allowed to name-call me, am I allowed to name-call her? Double-standard in 3...2...1

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you happen to hear someone say the word "sex" 99% of the time it's in reference to sexual intercourse, anyone who denies that is gas lighting.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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So, do teens not learn that humans have 46 chromosomes: 44 autosomes and 2 sex chromosomes? Do they not learn that females are XX and males are XY? Do they not learn the inheritance of certain traits is linked to sex? Do they not learn, for example, that daltonism is more prevalent in males?

WTF? Of course not. That's advanced biology. You won't learn that unless you study biology at university, or maybe medicine at A-level.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But you & I both know that she was gas lighting me, hence why she was never able to evince her counter-claims. Instead of conceding the point she went out kicking & screaming.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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You're not even able to articulate what it is about my "attitude" you dislike, so I'm not obliged to entertain the spurious criticism. Come back when you've read some feminist theory, until then I'll always be more of a feminist than you.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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Neuter means neither. "Neither gender" is not a gender, it's a lack of gender. It's like saying that "no apples" is an "amount of apples". It's not true, but you might say it in the context of talking about people with apples.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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She has a funny way of showing that. If anything I've made it clear I don't want to keep engaging with her. You've made your bias too obvious. You failed to reprimand her for name-calling, which has given me more leverage when I say: you're lying about who started it.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Accusations of gas lighting is not a personal attack. You didn't know that? Well now you do. All the personal attacks are coming exclusively from HP. Prove otherwise.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So you finally realise that Kohlberg & I are not the same person. Finally, some progress. But you want to debunk the social sciences? That'd be counter-productive for any feminist to do. You might as well say that you don't give a damn what biology says a woman is since TRAs re-defined it in law. By your logic, you'd have to reject the word woman too on the exact same grounds you reject gender & gender identity.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm aware of what reasons don't apply in an English-speaking context. I'm still waiting for your reasons that do apply.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You've made said tiny mistake over & over again, even though I pointed to out every time you did, leading any reasonable person to believe it was your pitiful attempt at strawmanning. If only you personally use sex to mean male/female exclusively, then how is that relevant?

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Tool, wank, nutter – thank you for supplying evidence that all you can resort to is ad hominem, favouring it over evidence. You're the reason this exchange has devolved into being so unpleasant. But I'm certain you won't take responsibility even for something as incontrovertible as that.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

English isn't Spanish. Using "gender" in linguistic contexts exclusively makes sense in Spanish. But neither of us are speaking in, or about Spanish. In English gender is a synonym for sex. The only one who seems to disagree is Stoller & transgenderists & feminists are his biggest allies (the only difference between either group being differing re-definitions of gender). Maybe feminists should stop being his biggest ally & reject his re-definition of gender, instead of rejecting the term itself, since doing the latter would only further cement the re-definition of gender.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Teens don't learn about anything with the term "sex" in it outside of sex education.

Did the Google results for "sex...a/b/c/d etc." surprise you in their focus on sexuality, or not?

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why don't you see a problem with female "feminists" who aren't theorists, aren't activists & have never even read any feminist theory in their life & never will? The fact that a man is more familiar with feminism than you are is an inconvenience for you, but easily rectified by you, so maybe quit blaming my biology for your own self-inflicted shortcomings. Nothing about my biology is preventing you from doing a spot of reading. The fact that the two of us use this forum proves that neither of our views are representatives of our respective sexes.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In German the word for sex & gender is the same. Not a convenient language for your argument. If neutering your dog isn't a sex change then neuter gender is tantamount to saying agender i.e. lacking a gender.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're using the transgenderist re-definition of gender identity again. Gender identity is as "unfalsifiable" as class identity. As long as the social sciences have a place in science then Kohlberg's gender identity will as well.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

All the name-calling is coming from HP.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

First you falsely accuse me of supplying only anecdotes then talk about your trip to the vet. Pathetic.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My replies have just as much substance as HP's.

All: Is gender identity falsifiable? If so, what would disprove it? by Penultimate_Penance in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Using the other sides words and definitions when it makes sense to do so is essential to debate

Whoever uses the terms of the opposition is capitulating. Always make them use your terms, not the other way around. As soon as you start playing by their rules you've helped them monopolise the "debate", which is the their winning move in said debate.

I'm not fond of the other definitions of gender identity either

They're not on the same level. "TWAW" isn't supported by any scientific discipline.

Identity should be based on who you are not what you are

That's only personal identity. Social identities also exist. Billion dollar industries depend on individuals within demographics all sharing behavioural patterns.

A person's sex, skin color or sexual orientation does not dictate the content of their character

A person's class dictates a lot about them. Admitting that isn't justifying classism.

Transgenderists believe that gender identity is a personal construct. They swing between biological determinism & free will, like conservatives. As usual, it's socially determined, otherwise all the dysphorics in media, politics & crime would be homosexual females, not heterosexual males again.

Sam Lux did a video saying "Trans-Racial" & "Trans-Korean" aren't legitimate. This transphobic garbage needs be reported out of existence by SnowAssMan in GenderCriticalGuys

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

that's certainly Butler's conclusion, instead of just accepting Sam Lux for what he is: a feminine homosexual man.

Does Kim Petras "pass"? And why are TIMs and TIFs everywhere? by UWUness in GenderCritical

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think JKR & Piers Morgan & most people believe some of that crap to some degree though.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Says the guy who want we adopt his personal definition of "gender identity".

You're mixing me up with Lawrence Kohlberg, you know, the guy who coined 'gender identity'. Oh wait, you didn't know that, even though I've reminded you on several occasions?

Again, what purpose does replacing "gender" with "sex" have, if you don't actually replace gender with sex in any of the examples where "gender" is used by TRAs?

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Google search results is raw data that represents a consensus. Still waiting for the expert on evidence to finally supply some.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is like when TRAs say "agender" is a gender.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

YT views are not more relevant than the fact that Ben Shapiro is a household name in the US.

Male & female feminists alike have been own-gosling since they decided to "educate" everyone that "sex & gender are not the same thing", so I don't represent men, since men parrot Stoller's rubbish too.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There's never any substance to your replies & this one is no different.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're still avoiding the question, consider running for office: how is a link to a sex education book & the Google Image results for "sex" anecdotal?

What evidence have you supplied that isn't anecdotal?

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Women acting like feminist leaders "usually ends up badly for women" too. Patriarchy is an ideology, not a demographic. Apparently I'm the only one here who even bothers to read feminist works. I'm obviously more familiar with feminist theory than you are, so all you've got left to fall back on is "you Tarzan, me Jane": identity politics.

I'm sure she could tell us herself if she wanted to.

She already has, many times.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you think the majority think that sex is an appropriate word for children how come I've been waiting for over a week for you to supply any evidence & how come all you've done is hem, haw, make strawmen & appeals to personal incredulity, sprinkled with ad hominem? You're limited repertoire has resulted in endless repetition of the aforementioned. Just concede, you've already forfeited.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why won't you say gender instead of sex? The reason other feminists don't is bc they have adopted Stoller's stipulative definition of gender & use it in place of the regular English language definition gender as a synonym for the sexes. That's not your reason though, supposedly. So what is your reason?

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Again, the context is sex education. Teens are taught about the sex organs i.e. the organs for sexual reproduction. They learn about how sex hormones are kicked into gear by puberty to help develop the sex organs in order for you to be able to sexually procreate. To the English-speaker's ear "sex hormones" sounds like "sexual hormones", not "male & female hormones". That's why you'll hear so many English speaking GC feminists say "biological sex" instead of just "sex". Notice how the most frequently used terms with "sex" in them: "sex sells" "sex symbols" "sex appeal" etc. always refer to sexuality rather than the state of being male or female. Use Google search predictions. Type in "sex a..." then "sex b...". Go through the alphabet & you'll notice that 99% of the time "sex" refers to sexual related topics. This shouldn't surprise anyone. I can only assume that any surprise on your part would be due to not being a native speaker.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Parents don't want sex to be a topic for their kids & at least half of them think homosexuality is a sex topic ≠ all that crap you made up about what I said.

Ben Shapiro's views actually represent half the USA's views, that much is clear from the engagement he gets. So you can stop acting as if he's just some mate of mine, or a figment of my imagination who has an obscure opinion held by almost no one.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You didn't answer the question: how is a link to a sex education book & the Google Image results for "sex" anecdotal?

What evidence have you supplied that isn't anecdotal?

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And men acting like feminists leaders usually ends up badly for women

Unlike women leaders, right? I can't help being correct, or male.

I said TRA's views on "gender" are closer to Stoller's ideas than those of feminists

Demonstrably false. Millett & Dworkin quote him verbatim, using his definition of gender as the cornerstone of their understanding of it, without a smidgen of caveat or disagreement. Our own MT will quite gladly tell you she thinks gender is masculinity & femininity, not male & female – the otherwise extinct Stoller definition, unlike modern transgenderism.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Evidence is evidence, not proof, where's yours?

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You also said feminists should reclaim the words "gender" and "gender identity" despite the fact those terms didn't come from feminists in the first place, that was on Money and Stoller

WTF? "Gender" has been a part of the English language since at least the 19th century, not the 60s, so "gender" didn't come from Stoller. Feminism adopted Stoller's view that gender & sex should have two separate meanings, they also adopted his definition of gender. So how does feminism adopting his distinction between sex & gender make Stoller a feminist?? If anything that would make feminists "Stollerists".

Gender & sex are synonyms. Then the trouble started with Stoller deciding they should describe two different things, then the trouble started in earnest when 2nd-wavers decided to adopt the idea, then the trouble continued with transgenderism also hopping onto the idea that the two words describe separate things, now radical feminists like you guys continue the trouble by also insisting that the two words describe different things. It was a bad & completely unnecessary idea & continues to be a bad idea. Hence my reasonable suggestion to abandon the two separate definitions & go back to treating them as synonyms again, the way most people do anyway.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The fact that there is no difference between "gender-roles" & "sex-roles" reveals that 'sex' & 'gender' are synonyms, even within feminism, making the distinction illusory. No one even says "sex-roles" anymore. If you look up "sex-roles", most of the info is on reproductive roles. It's unrealistic & unnecessary to try to turn back time & change "gender-roles" back into "sex-roles".

The only one who doesn't have a good alternative is "gender identity"

So the only terms the role-players use: gender identity, misgender, transgender, will remain unchanged? Then what difference does it make to "favour sex over gender", when every use of the word "gender" (& the frequency of its use) remains unchanged?

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, I'm saying the word "intercourse" isn't heteronormative, since the term "homosexual intercourse exists". I'm also saying that the nuclear family is a construct. Childrearing doesn't have to be done by either of the biological parents.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How on Earth did using the word "gender" as a synonym for sex "help open the way for transgenderism"?

Again, gender has always been a synonym for sex. It's only 2nd wave feminist theorists who decided that the two words should refer to different things based on what Stoller said. Transgenderism doesn't use either of those definitions, but if the ideology exploited anything, it's the feminist insistence that gender & sex are not synonyms. Every time you insist that gender & sex not be treated as synonyms you help the transgenderist cause.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You: "I avoid saying gender outside of grammar". Also you: "Gender critical means being critical of all sex stereotypes"

I'm all ears about what those guys did for women's rights

...um, but I never said Stoller was a feminist, so why would I defend that random statement? In any case it makes no difference either way. You're the one using his definition: sex-stereotypes. You have this idea that you disagree with him & that I agree with him – when it's the other way 'round. He thinks gender means sex-stereotypes & so do you, I think we should reject that definition in favour of the original/colloquial one: synonym for biological sex. Confusingly, you also sometimes use the transgenderist definition of gender.

Gender became synonymous with biological sex again after the end of the 2nd wave. Transgenderism resurrected the differentiation, but changed the definition of gender. So maybe stop blaming Stoller & the word "gender"? Right now there is a battle over the word gender going on & for some reason GC feminists are on the transgenderist side. They shake their fists at Stoller & transgenderism, but call themselves "gender critical" thereby using either Stoller's & transgenderism's definition of gender depending on the context.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Even pleasure-sex follows the reproductive model, even makeshift anal sex does. Even homosexuals form couples (instead of thrupples). So the word itself is heteronormative & the actions associated with it are heteronormative, but I shouldn't call it "intercourse" on account that that's heteronormative? Anyway, seeing as the term "homosexual intercourse" exists you can get off my back regarding my use of the word "intercourse" now, since apparently it's not exclusionary after all.

You over-estimate the role of the sire. Biological fathers play no role at all in parenting their biological offspring in the Mosuo tribe – one of the only matriarchies in existence. Perhaps mixing romance, sex & child-rearing together is only cultural, not natural.

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[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I already took my own advice. I produced evidence without excuses or ad hominems.

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[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Proof & evidence aren't the same thing. You didn't answer the question: how is a link to a sex education book & the Google Image results for "sex" anecdotal?

What evidence have you supplied that isn't anecdotal?

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

but I think you may still working on the expecting women do as you say part

Most TRAs are female, so we're all guilty of that. Identity politics always backfires, so quit employing it; or should that be: deploying it?

Why would I want to use their terminology?

Well, for the same reasons feminists have been: to describe femininity & masculinity. Remember, gender & gender identity are not the same thing & core-gender identity & cross-gender identity aren't the same thing either. As far as I remember Stoller's work was on people with DSDs & he viewed transsexualism as a type of DSD. You won't find any commonalities between his work & modern day transgenderism.

But anyway, I don't think using Stoller's terminology is helpful, since no one of consequence knows that definition of gender anymore (masculinity & femininity). The only people who used it were feminist theorists & they've stopped now. All feminists seem to have adopted the transgenderist definition, including you & all the other GC feminists.

Why would you sooner adopt the transgenderist definition of gender (self-declaration), instead of the colloquial one (male & female)?

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[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm getting sick of this "he who smelt it dealt it" attitude I keep getting from you lot. It's childish. Just the other day I saw a clip of Ben Shapiro complaining about kids learning about homosexuality, bc in order to learn about it they have to learn about sex. Here is the clip with over half a million views, which apparently only happened in my head:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOT_HH3Ut_A&t=65s

Half your country is that moron. So quit pretending homophobia & the stigmatising of sex only exists in my head, bc that would make my head at least as big as half your country.

Anyway, is that really the extra obstacle you want for the feminist movement? And for what? So that some straight guys can ponce about saying how "biologically female" they are anyway?

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[–]SnowAssMan 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What should happen to all the terms that have 'gender' in them: gender-roles, gender identity, gender inequality etc? You say 'gender' isn't a biological term & that only 'sex' is. Are the aforementioned terms referencing biology? If you say "sex-roles" instead of "gender-roles", is 'sex' no longer a biological term? What's the difference between "sex" & "gender" within the gender-role vs. sex-role comparison?

Then there are terms like "gendered behavioural patterns", "feminine gender-role preference", "gender non-conformity", "cross-gender conformity". "feminising gender indicators" "gendered language" – can the word "sex" really do the job?

Everyone was saying "gender" instead of "sex" before transgenderism arrived on the scene. So if the word isn't to blame, why do you think disposing of it will solve the problem?

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[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Teens eventually learn about sexual intercourse in & outside school. That's their introduction to the word 'sex'.

The OED is the authority (for lack of a better word) on the English language.

Feminist theorists use the word "gender" (not referring to grammar), in the same way that Stoller & Butler do, so you're unusual if you only use it to refer to grammatical gender – at least you would be, if that was actually the case. You use the word 'gender' with the transgenderist definition attached (like most choice-feminists & GC feminists, bc most GC feminists are former choice-feminists). The difference is, you, like all GC feminists, disagree with it's legitimacy. However, simply by accepting the trans re-definition of 'gender' to mean APG RPG, you are compromising your own position & indirectly legitimising your opponents' in a fundamental way.

If only you just used gender in the grammatical sense, exclusively. That would be an improvement. Alas!

All: Is gender identity falsifiable? If so, what would disprove it? by Penultimate_Penance in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

not what you personally think it should mean

You think I'm making it up?

Transgenderists haven't got many terms of their own, they usually hijack others, like they hijack everything else. They call men women bc of their own "definition" of the word woman: a man who makes a self-declaration. Does that mean GC feminists should use 'woman' with the transgenderist misunderstanding of the word? Or should we try to use the correct terminology?

A strong desire to be the opposite sex, a self-declaration as the opposite sex, role-playing the opposite sex – none of these things constitute a gender identity, no matter how often people incorrectly call it that. The question should be: is transgender identity falsifiable.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hundreds of millions of papers and books about all the life sciences and other fields - biology, zoology, agriculture, horticulture, plant science, genetics, medicine, child development - and materials concerning subject areas like pet care, livestock, dog breeding, and so on would have to be rewritten if "gender" were to replace "sex."

The horror.

Just look at how stigmatised the gay movement is bc of it's association with sex. Why tf would you want to add that obstacle to feminism? Especially when there are literally no benefits?

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You mean like oral? That's called 'oral sex'. It's not penis-focused or male-centric, it's reproduction-focused, just like the word itself is: sex. It's a type of reproduction: sexual reproduction. Male & female describe the reproductive roles within a species that reproduces sexually. You could broaden the definition of sex to include other forms of erotic activities, making it orgasm-focused, maybe. But wouldn't re-purposing the word that describes reproduction, to also refer to homosexual erotic activities itself be heteronormative?

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[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How is a link to a book & google results anecdotes? I've purposely avoided using anecdotes. While anecdotes are all you've provided. You keep proving yourself wrong every time you fail to provide evidence.

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[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're still repeating yourself & you're still unable to produce any evidence to back up any of the claims you've made. Take a break from the excuses & ad hominems & produce evidence for once.

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[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're still repeating yourself & you're still unable to produce any evidence to back up any of the claims you've made. Take a break from the excuses & ad hominems & produce evidence for once.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I clearly have GC reasons for wanting to take "gender" back, so what exactly makes me "not GC"?

Your OP downplayed the role feminism has had in mainstreaming the word "gender". And over-emphasised John Money's importance. It also misrepresented Stoller & Money as sharing the same ideology as modern transgenderism, when clearly modern post-structuralist choice-feminism is the only other group who share transgenderist beliefs. I've pointed out some of the other discrepancies in your findings in my first comment. But in every reply you keep going back to your initial views.

All I'm suggesting is that feminists quit capitulating to transgenderism, which is a sentiment expressed by every GC user here. One such capitulation is being complicit in transgenderism's appropriation of the word "gender", & the term "gender identity". Some GC feminists even say "trans-woman" – that too is a capitulation. Saying "biologically female" instead of just "female" is yet another example of feminist capitulation, etc.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Don't assure me, evince it. Linking to examples ≠ anecdotes. Identity politics is never viable, hence why Fox News employs it.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And you're playing the part of an unwilling ally. AGPs are appropriating all biology-based terms, why capitulate to any degree? Giving them gender won't make them leave "biologically female" alone, as we have all seen. So your reluctance to take "gender" back is what is heading us towards that dystopia you predicted.

About the origins of the word "gender" by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Same difference.