Both: Do you believe there are sexual components to masculinity and femininity?

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[–]worried19[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

This is a feminist sub. MRAs were not allowed on the old sub. If you are a Red Pill adherent, then this conversation is over.

And the difference between you and a TRA is?

This sub isn't GCdebatesRedPill. I have never been interested in that type of discussion. I'm not saying you should be banned, but I want no part of it. QT people at least agree on feminist principles.

[–]uwubunny 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What you're saying is extremely similar to TRAs - if I step outside certain parameters of the debate then I should be silenced.

I don't subscribe to any ideology or ideological world view. I am a minority of one in any debate. I refuse to be categorised. If calling yourself a feminist is a mandatory part of being on this sub, then the moderators should ban me, because I refuse to call myself a feminist.

I know that human beings are evolved animals, and I try to form beliefs about humans, human behavior and human society based on that. I recognise that human society is about unending political conflicts and zero-sum games. I recognise "red pillers" and feminists both have valid points to make from their own lived experience, but their beliefs coming from limited perspectives are unlikely to hold universally, and not everything they say is guaranteed to be sincere, since they are political activists.

[–]worried19[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

As I said, this sub is for gender critical feminists to debate liberal, pro-trans feminists. It was never intended for anti-feminists of any stripe.

I am not a moderator, so I have no control over what the mods do. All I know is that I have zero desire to debate people who don't even agree on basic feminist principles. Red Pill beliefs have caused me extreme distress in the past, and I have no inclination to revisit those here.

[–]uwubunny 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Anti-feminist is a label, so I reject it. I am indifferent to feminism, like I'm indifferent to any ideological position. If particular feminist claims seem sound to me then I'll accept them to the extent they are based on evidence. Feminism is the name for various womens' liberation movements, which is a political view premised on women being a coherent political bloc, having common interests, and rejecting anti-feminism. Since I don't believe women always have common interests, and I don't always reject anti-feminist ideas, then I can't call myself a feminist, and I can't call myself an anti-feminist. Moreover, particular second and third wave feminist claims seem to contradict observed facts of evolution, so I reject them.

And what's the difference between you and a trans activist who says that people not believing in their gender identity have caused them extreme distress? Why should it matter if it causes you distress? Reality doesn't care. The universe can be a distressing place.

[–]worried19[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have to take care of my own mental health first. I'm not arguing for silencing of your views. But I'm not the right person to debate them.