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[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

QT here: A trans person will have to deal with the status of the gender the transitioned into. That does not mean they will face all of it at once, due to transition beeing a process and they also have to deal with being trans in society where most people aren't indifferent to their trans status. That much is obvious.

With that out of the way let me adress your question:

Why wouldn't feminist identify out of oppression? 1) because it actually does not solve anything and makes it harder to deal with the biology based oppression that's impossible to identify out of. There is also the thing that in our current society identity only goes so far. Passing is necessary to actually get rid of that oppression, which requires lifelong medication in most cases and causes infertility, which is a high price to pay.

These side effects lead nicely into 2) While oppression may lead to dysphoric symptoms, these symptoms shouldn't be treated the same way gender dysphoria is. Mostly out of concerns for the patients long term health, since the changes are irreversible and might not be desired by the paitent once the external pressure is gone, which may lead to regret down the line once the external conditions change on their own.

As to your comparison. It honestly does not really fit. If a black person underwent the same process as the king of Pop, then sure, they might be able to get away from racism. But just saying I am white won't get them far outside of circles where statements like these are respected, which aren't the racist circles to begin with. At leat in general.

P.S.: I also have never seen the statement of just identity out of oppression outside of burning down straw men, but I'm also more connected with GC and transmeds and am completely out of the loop otherwise.

[–]DistantGlimmer[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I do agree that it is different for trans people who actually pass most of the time as their desired gender. Like I don't think it's total. Transmen still face issues around things like medical care relating to their female anatomy and transwomen will always have vestiges of male privilege based on socialization and upbringing but I can accept that being perceived as a woman will result in a certain amount of sexism while being perceived as a man may confer certain advantages socially.

My question is more addressing the strictly QT idea (as opposed to a more transmedicalist one) that people are strictly oppressed based on gender identity. If this is true than it should be possible for a woman to simply opt-out of oppression by not identifying as a woman which as you say it obviously isn't. We hear a lot from QT types that dysphoria is not required to be trans and passing is not required to be trans but how will a "masculine transwoman" be treated as anything other than a man if that is how most people will perceive them? You recognize sex-based oppression as a thing which happens but many transactivists do not. Anyway, thank you for responding.