Both: What if we reframed the issue as "AFAB rights", "AFAB spaces", etc?

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[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

If it was the same person, then it was an alt-account. The one I am talking about was something like Charmandy or similar stuff. But frankly I do believe it was a genuine woman who just drowned in the kool-aid.

Mask/Void, for all the crap they say, never really called themselves a biological female (only female in the legal sense) and they didn't seem to give an actual shit about trans natal females anyway, I don't think they would have wasted time trying to teach us how to include them.

The one with the weird pronouns (I know who you are talking about, but I don't remember their username) would have never stooped so low and called themselves a boring "cis" woman.

As for the rest, yes! Apparently, delayed gratification, character growth and self-acceptance have been replaced by "I want it all, I want it now and you are going to give it to me".

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Thaaats the one! Charmondy! ~you can include transmen in radical feminism by not being a big bad terf and accepting gender as your lord and saviour :)~

Honestly it seems like every tra poster from the subreddit was an obvious troll. Like airlilyariel who was definitely getting donated ovaries implanted next year to have a baby.

Masks never claimed to be female but spent hours screeching that he’s not male and never was.

The same posters would ask twenty stupid, bad faith questions in a row like “why isn’t the penis female?” Then say everyone there was obsessed with hating transwomen and never even talk about gender when they got an answer. It’s weird looking back and realising that even the supposedly good faith qt posters were just..brimming with shit.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Like airlilyariel who was definitely getting donated ovaries implanted next year to have a baby.

Wait, what? How the fuck did I miss that? I have seen people claiming that trans natal males getting pregnant was something that was going to happen 5 years ahead tops, but I have never seen someone being so direct about it. I don't even recognize that username to be honest.

Masks never claimed to be female but spent hours screeching that he’s not male and never was.

I missed that, too, and I have spent an inordinate amount of time butting heads with them. They never said they weren't male to me, just that they hated males and didn't want to be associated with them in any way (which made them women). They also had very peculiar views on friendship (friends exist to lie to you to make you feel better) and on the fact that if you don't want to fuck trans people and they ask you directly why, you should lie or shut about it but never tell them the truth.

There were posters who weren't textbook TRAs: I still disagreed with them, but some of them didn't seem like they were from an alternative reality. Others... spoke like aliens.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Oh man it was a real treat. Ariel claimed he was biologically female, and had ovaries. Then went to he will be receiving a uterus and ovaries and be birthing happy little babies by 2022. They were like 19 and about as emotionally developed as a newborn. Absolutely insisted that hormones make SRY genes obsolete and cause males to have female genetics and everything. Absolutely amazing to read. Needs popcorn.

Masks insisted to me every time I spoke to him that he’s not male or a man because men and males are all evil monsters and he’s just the most delicate poor widdle lady being attacked by every man outside AND the evil cis women who totally wanted him murdered. Self pity stacked twelve feet high and nothing else was masks.

Transmaiden was the worst imo. Mods let them get away with a full year of admittedly shitposting and detailing for fun. It took multiple rape apologist posts for any trolls to be ousted.

I probably spoke to some sane tra posters but damned if I can remember them for all the absolute nutters.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Mask did use to say that they were a little flower so they must have been a woman in comparison to men, but it always seemed to me like they were saying it more as a wishful thinking kind of thing than because they actually believed it. Then again, they believed in other insane stuff, so I wouldn't be surprised either way.

Transmaiden is the only poster I have ever blocked. Their "smart" rebuttals (such as "OK, boomer!") were irritating enough, but in one thread they posted messages like "Ah ah, I am seriously suicidal now!!!" and that was it for me.

I really have no clue about the first one you are talking about. Damn, I missed some quality tantrums!!!!

[–]littlerbear 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Did you ever go back and forth with 'the professor'? They accused me of 'shitting on trans women' at every opportunity and got pissed off if I critiqued the quality of the studies the posted. Won't miss that individual.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't know who this person is (or maybe I removed them from my memory?) 🤔

Did they have professor in their username?

[–]littlerbear 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No. That's another person who liked to tell me that I'm shitting on trans people by saying that biological sex is immutable and that women have a right to sex-segregated spaces.

[–]littlerbear 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Wasn't LilyAriel or whoever the one who said that he'd had part of his liver removed to make room for female reproductive organs?

Transmaiden was really a piece of work.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yessssss omg yes that’s him!! Transmaiden was an asshole and idk why he was ever tolerated and protected by the mods tbh. He got a pass for some of the most blatant misogyny.

[–]littlerbear 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah. He was more infuriating than some of the others over there.

[–]littlerbear 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

brimming with shit.

Yes, Lord. The....peculiar manners of thinking are really quite challenging at times. Like in terms of keeping my temper and not going full 'what the fuck is wrong with you? How do you believe this bullshit?"

[–]DistantGlimmer 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

trans natal females anyway

I actually remember Masks saying once they liked transmen. I noted it to myself because they clearly hate women, men, other transwomen, themselves, seriously I don't think I've ever seen someone so full of hate for the vast majority of humanity so I was like "well that's one small group they don't hate at least".

NeverBeenStardust is the other one's name. Had many discussions with them where they'd come right to the edge of actually getting some GC point and then dance back from it. So annoying. I don't know if it was bad faith or simply someone young and not willing to really open their mind.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The only time I saw Mask talking about trans natal females was when someone asked them to rank the genders according to how they felt safe in their presence.

Trans natal females ranked higher than "cis" men, so the poster they were debating with wondered why, given that, I think, the entire argument came from the usual denial about sex and socialization being in any way important. So basically, trans men and men are absolutely the same level of man, but for some reasons they felt safer with trans men. I wonder why... 🙄

Yes, Stardust is exactly the one I was thinking of. I can't say I interacted with them that much, though.

[–]DistantGlimmer 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If I remember correctly it came up with me because they were going on with their usual over-the-top routine about how all masculinity is Satanic so I asked them if they hated people who literally opt-in to masculine gender roles (transmen) and they were like "no, I like transmen" which doesn't seem very consistent but I guess it is good there's one group they don't loathe.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Classic Mask!!!

It is indeed nice that at least there was someone they didn't loathe. Even though I think that one of them not being a doormat in Mask's presence would have probably changed their mind.

[–]littlerbear 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

would have never stooped so low and called themselves a boring "cis" woman.

I know who you're talking about. I always had weird interactions with this person. Kind of like "I never said I'm not female, I'm just not a woman. I'm a female man." I find this crap exhausting. A female man. Jesus wept.