Both: What if we reframed the issue as "AFAB rights", "AFAB spaces", etc?

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[–]DistantGlimmer 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

It definitely wouldn't work with AGPs as they fetishize womanhood so they will just demand entrance to "AFAB spaces". A woman was banned from Twitter recently for telling a non-binary female person that "only females get cervical cancer" when feminists protested this a bunch of transmen started shrieking about how they are actually male not female and hearing that only females have cervixes invalidates them so I can't even really say it's just transwomen who are unreasonable here and It's hard to believe the transmen would have magically accepted "Only AFAB people get cervical cancer". Besides, AFAB is actually terminology that is actually accurate for some intersex people. I don't think we should take it from them just because some trans people cannot handle the reality of their biological sex.

[–]worried19 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

when feminists protested this a bunch of transmen started shrieking about how they are actually male not female

Good grief. How old were the people in question? I can't imagine adults acting like this. Even if these people transitioned as teenagers, they know full well that they were born female and raised as girls.

[–]DistantGlimmer 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's unbelievable. I've been reading Twitter more since all the shit on Reddit went down but the TRAs there are a special bunch. They say that no one denies biological sex but then call people Nazis and shit if they call a female person female and we can't even correct or argue with them about it or we get banned despite the fact that calling someone female is not misgendering. sigh.

It does feel like bratty kids have just been given control of these internet platforms.

[–]questioningtw 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There is definitely a hard core bunch that are trying to act like sex is a complete social construct and irrelevent and you don't even need to transition to be non binary are trans and they are very loud. In fact they actually harass trans people like Buck Angel and Natalie Wynn for having the sheer audacity to say errrrrrrr yeah I was a woman/man before I transitioned. I like they think harassing people is perfectly acceptable if they don't like what you say.

[–]DistantGlimmer 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Once they succeed in driving us off the circular firing squad will definitely be out in full force and I must say I will be reaching for the popcorn with the likes of Contrappoints although Buck Angel seems like a genuinely good person so it's sad when people like that who are just minding their own business get targetted.

[–]questioningtw 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is always the loudest that have to ruin it for everyone. over on Gender cyn they love to talk about what a horrible person Buck Angel is...but he seems like a good guy to me.