Both: What if we reframed the issue as "AFAB rights", "AFAB spaces", etc?

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[–]worried19 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

when feminists protested this a bunch of transmen started shrieking about how they are actually male not female

Good grief. How old were the people in question? I can't imagine adults acting like this. Even if these people transitioned as teenagers, they know full well that they were born female and raised as girls.

[–]questioningtw 19 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Honestly...I am deeply worried that it is becoming the norm to completely deny reality. Look at all these people that think 5 G causes cancer or that Covid is a hoax. There is nothing transphobic about acknowledging biological reality.

[–]worried19 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It can't last. This is an untenable position for the long term. I think we just happen to be in the middle of a bizarre moment in history. The pendulum has to swing back eventually. Hopefully not too far, though. I don't want the legitimate progress trans people have made to be erased.

[–]questioningtw 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I sure hope so. I think though what scares me the most though is climate change and how fast it is accelerating. It is like, instead of being obsessed with gender identity can we focus on actual existential crisises'? Because the pendulum will swing to the right hard if people see leftists as not caring at all about the enviroment, economy, actual human rights and justice.

[–]littlerbear 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I mentioned this on FB a few days ago. Lefties are standing around arguing about pronouns as the world burns, hollering about men getting cervical cancer as we get ready to sacrifice 15K kids and teachers to covid to shore up the economy, canceling people for talking about biological reality while in the US 5 million people are on the verge of losing their health insurance. So, yeah, the left has really lost the plot.

[–]questioningtw 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I was reading this book about Leni Reifensthal who was Hitler's filmmaker basically. Pre War Germany was actually extremely liberal, but the liberalism was starting to morph into hedonism and people started seeing the left as amoral and not caring about workers. This along, with the Wiemar Republics very weak laws that could have prevented extremism is what lead to Nazi Germany. Now that is an extreme simplification of a complicated event, but it is scary seeing this happen in real time. Oh and we have climate change on top of everything.

[–]tamingthemindradfem (GC) 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well said. Meghan Murphy recently did an interview with Elias Williams and they touched on this.

[–]DistantGlimmer 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's unbelievable. I've been reading Twitter more since all the shit on Reddit went down but the TRAs there are a special bunch. They say that no one denies biological sex but then call people Nazis and shit if they call a female person female and we can't even correct or argue with them about it or we get banned despite the fact that calling someone female is not misgendering. sigh.

It does feel like bratty kids have just been given control of these internet platforms.

[–]questioningtw 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There is definitely a hard core bunch that are trying to act like sex is a complete social construct and irrelevent and you don't even need to transition to be non binary are trans and they are very loud. In fact they actually harass trans people like Buck Angel and Natalie Wynn for having the sheer audacity to say errrrrrrr yeah I was a woman/man before I transitioned. I like they think harassing people is perfectly acceptable if they don't like what you say.

[–]DistantGlimmer 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Once they succeed in driving us off the circular firing squad will definitely be out in full force and I must say I will be reaching for the popcorn with the likes of Contrappoints although Buck Angel seems like a genuinely good person so it's sad when people like that who are just minding their own business get targetted.

[–]questioningtw 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is always the loudest that have to ruin it for everyone. over on Gender cyn they love to talk about what a horrible person Buck Angel is...but he seems like a good guy to me.