"Follow The Science"

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[–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (5 children)

u/socks the last one :D

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Alrighty then - as /u/Popper says below, let's follow the Kushners instead.

(But seriously, this nonsense of trying to make Science look bad is very sad, to use Trumpilstiltskin's phrase.)

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Private corporate "science" for profit without accountability is very bad.

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OK: A substantial portion of Dupont is very bad. Similar major corportaations have been caught committing ethics violations, and have paid fines (though the fines weren't nearly enough). But scientists in general - and in many cases these large corporations - are held accountable by virtue of a review process for their work, not to mention additional testing, international scrutiny &c.

There is no such review for the corporations and special interest groups, and Russian businessmen who are spending billions on propaganda against science. One should wonder why they do it? What do they get with their campaign of terror? They get a huge return on their investment, by getting us to argue over facts. It helped get Trump and Republicans elected, which was a huge benefit for them. It's helped spread COVID19, which as we know is a huge benefit for Amazon, Walmart, and many other large corporations.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Who controls the review process, testing, scrutiny? It's all rigged and controlled. (((Their))) web is vast. They have full spectrum dominance - a term that is not limited to military warfare - it very much applies to class war.

I don't know anything about these " Russian businessmen who are spending billions on propaganda against science " but I'm willing to learn - as long as it's not from corporate MSM media (all propaganda).

Who's campaign of terror?

Division and distraction is the game in this intentionally confused hypernormalization (also the title of a good documentary).

Nonsense about anything helping spread COVID, which seems tied to the weather (Kim Iversen documented this a lot, but she's removed all her COVID stuff off YouTube to better fight other battles without censorship and suppression).

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I agree that there are serious problems with hypernormalization in social media, and would say that special interest groups who support Republicans have made very good use of this strategy, and for many of them the folks who wrote Trump's Tweets were their champions.

I appreciate that we can also argue that the liberal-leaning news media also do this. A lady on CNN with blond hair [I don't know her name] yesterday was for example talking nonsense about the Impeachment trial that reminds me of Fox news propagandists. She claimed for example that the invasion of the Capitol building almost resulted in a massacre. I would want those domestic terrorists to serve jail time, but I am not convinced that a massacre was the intent of most of them, and this is not what lawyers in the Impeachment trial are focusing on. Instead, the lives of certain individuals (Pelosi, Pence, AOC, &c) were likely in danger, and as we now know, politicians were removing their affiliation pins in order to not be recognized as Democrats. The videos prove that the protestors were seconds away from physically attacking Senators and Representatives. But I digress.

I am not sure which articles on Russian hacking to recommend, but there have been important discoveries of this in recent years, showing that the intentions of the well-funded Russian hackers to sow mistrust among voters in certain countries, to make them angry with government and their neighbors (and both parties). See for example much of the material broadcast by RT. A search for 'research on russian interference in election' will locate various useful articles on the subject.

Thanks for thie intro to Kim Iversen. I'll have a closer look. A quick search locates only a few notes. And the editors at Wikipedia have removed these articles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kim_Iversen because they are, "Highly promotional tone, low notability, reliant on self-published material." Her support of Gabbard is interesting, and I will see what I can find out about that (as I previously supported Gabbard, for various reasons, but am now concerned with - or at least curious about - her latest direction in politics.)

For example,