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[–]dissidentrhetoric 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (7 children)

Millions haha amateurs. Biontech and moderna made like $100 billion off their poisonous gene manipulation injections.

[–]zyxzevn 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

And they already killed a million people with it,
Based on the scientific valid 1% reporting.

Note that you can find this data in /s/VaccineSkepticism and /s/VaccineInjuries/

[–]ActuallyNot[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A million? That's way too high. Are you getting that from the VAERS and then assuming that all are real and attributed to the vaccination?

[–]ActuallyNot[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

mRNA doesn't manipulate genes.

[–]dissidentrhetoric 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It does exactly that through the micro cell membrane.

[–]ActuallyNot[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Your rhetoric is confident, but your biochemistry is crap.

mRNA doesn't get anywhere near the genes. It doesn't enter the cell nucleus. It operates, like all RNA, outside the nucleus. If it did, it couldn't change genes, because genes aren't made of RNA. There's the whole other half of the DNA missing. mRNA is not a retrovirus, which (which do make DNA from RNA). mRNA is not close to a retrovirus. A retrovirus has two copies of each gene. There is never anything that mRNA makes that could insert into DNA.

[–]dissidentrhetoric 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The graphene oxide enters through the cells and delivers its nano particle payload.

[–]ActuallyNot[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

1) There's no graphene oxide in the mRNA vaccines.

2) Of course it get into the cells. That where it acts. It doesn't get into the nucleus, so it doesn't get anywhere near the DNA of the cell.

The other points still stand. It isn't DNA and can't make DNA, so even if it was in the nucleus, it couldn't affect the genes.

[–]AXXA 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

You can buy all the Ivermectin you need for $7.99 at Tractor Supply and it comes in a sweet apple flavor.

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/bimectin-ivermectin-paste-187-608g

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Great company, I should buy some of their stock.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Indeed - perhaps mix it with apple tobacco and smoke it with one's hookah.

[–]hennaojichan 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

My friends, a couple I've known about ten years, have bought both medicines across the counter as well as the vitamins and stocked them in case one or both of them get sick. The prices they pay are quite reasonable they say.They live in Cambodia.

[–]zyxzevn 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Good example of Fake News.. and c;lear Propaganda.

Anyone can make off-patent medicine, which is why they are forbidden in many countries.

Can we ban this guy from Saidit now?

[–]Airbus320 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

u/Jasoncarswell and me wanted it too

[–]ActuallyNot[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I see you didn't read the article.

For one of the organisations making money:

AFLDS referred over 255,000 people to speak with physicians in order to get Covid-19 treatments. Of those people, 72,000 paid $90 for phone consultations, and many of those had follow-up consultations costing $59.99 each. The hacked data from Cadence Health does not include payment data itself, but doing the math, in just that two-month period, patients appear to have paid more than $6.7 million for phone consultations alone.

So you see that the money was charged for consultations, not by Merck, who don't recommend it for covid.

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    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    Absolutely - take the darn vaccine

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      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      malfunctioning meme.

      I should keep a list of lovely insults like this.

      And rest assured, I'm likely 1000s of miles away from you.

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        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

        He asked you to stop talking to him.

        [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

        We need more posts like this on Saidit (as it's supposed to be a non-partisan site, but re. COVID, I only see anti-vax posts).

        [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

        It's propaganda. $6 million is chump change, Walgreens makes that in 6 minutes.

        data show that vast sums of money are being extracted from people concerned about or suffering from Covid-19

        That part, full stop, is true about healthcare in general and they're applying this to only the side they don't like for political reasons. Using large sums of money to shock common folk who often think in the scope of their own personal finances.

        Also, they aren't showing proof of their claim.

        Sounds like it might be s/shitpostnews to me.

        [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        Part of the problem is that the title is addressing a symptom, rather than the cause. Indeed, $6m (and $15m, as noted) is chump change. More importantly: why did 72,000 people pay for this snake oil? It's very good muck-raking journalism because it offers so much information on the networks, money, prescriptions, the anti-vax campaigners, the Pro-Trump doctors, the Twitter disinformation campaigns, and other aspects of these outcomes of political disinformation about a simple vaccine, all for the sake of political gain (not the health benefits) from right-wing voters who want to believe in lies so much that they now have difficulty identifying lies from these very sophisticated, expensive anti-vax campaigns. They're not meant to make money, as the costs of the campaigns must run in the 100s of millions. They're meant to persuade potential voters to mistrust all aspects of government, so that the loudest authoritarian (regardless of his lies) can get votes. Long gone are the Eisenhower Conservatives (with whom I occasionally agreed), now replaced by Big Corp and its lackies, pushing pump and dump schemes (inc. crypto, insider trading, money laundering, small goverenment, deregulation, chaos, COVID/lockdowns, online commerce, reduction of small businesses, lower wages, healthcare reduction, &c). Perhaps there's a shorter way to say all of this, but essentially: the title and article refer to research on one aspect of the outcomes and the impacts of anti-vax disinformation propaganda. It merely scratches the surface of the overall problem.

        [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        they now have difficulty identifying lies

        So does everyone. You have as much of an idea if ivermectin actually works as I do, you believe it doesn't work because that's what your team says while I am unsure because the politics murk up the discussion.

        I like what Bill Maher said:

        one of the problems is, as you have written so eloquently about, is that we have politicized medications now. I mean ivermectin, ivermectin. It’s a drug. It’s not a politician. It should not have any reputation, except does it work or not.”

        This article on it is a good read if you're interested.

        It is hard to imagine where the big ivermectin money is since you can just order it online or get it at tractor supply store without a prescription.

        And why not celebrate your political rivals embracing a treatment option you feel doesn't work. Do you really want more Republicans?

        because it offers so much information on the networks, money, prescriptions, the anti-vax campaigners, the Pro-Trump doctors, the Twitter disinformation campaigns, and other aspects of these outcomes of political disinformation

        Looks like bullshit to me honestly. It's a niche group they're smearing for different political views.

        Love to see a general audit for the covid response in general though, everything regardless of political affiliation. Then a nice special prosecution team to go after the profiteers. This I don't think would qualify.

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        We actually agree on much of this and the need for greater skepticism and scrutiny. Indeed, I don't know enough about ivermectin to comment on it. But I've also not seen the same kinds of trials for it as I've seen for some of the COVID vaccines. (I wouldn't for example trust the China COVID vaccine, because of problems in other countries with it, and there were problems in India with one of the vaccines. Pfizer makes viagra, so they must be legit, right? /s) In any event, I agree that none of this should be politicized. It's nuts. I base my opinion on the successes of the COVID vaccines (and other vaccines before them), though I do worry about the politicizaiton of drugs, and that the medical evidence should be shown with all of the arguments for or against vaccines.

        [–]IkeConn 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

        And they are pissing off all the right people. A doctor in the family has already secured a supply of both. He has already supplied 6 family members. They all survived and recovered.

        [–]GST893 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

        Right wing? I think you mean REAL DOCTORS! Any doctor, in light of all the positive evidence, that withholds ivermectin or HCQ is in violation of their oath and should have their license pulled.

        [–]ActuallyNot[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

        There's no evidence either work for covid.

        [–]GST893 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

        Plenty of evidence shill. Go look it up.

        [–]ActuallyNot[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

        Plenty of evidence shill.

        You think saying what the facts are is shilling. You need to realign your beliefs back to reality.

        Go look it up.

        You think I haven't? You haven't read many of my comments have you.

        [–]GST893 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

        Skewed papers from biased sources and outright fabrications. Try again shill.

        [–]ActuallyNot[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

        JAMA, Cochrane, some of the most respected sources in the English language world.

        What's an example of a better source?

        [–]GST893 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        Sources are big pharma owned and operated. Corrupt the core. Try again. Have another .06¢ shill. You're pathetic.

        [–]ActuallyNot[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        You think big pharma owns AMA?

        And you think they own Cochrane?

        Okay. So you know nothing about JAMA and Cochrane.

        Fine. Got anything else to add?

        Because we have looked at the best quality evidence there is and it shows no evidence that ivermectin helps and evidence that in certain circumstances hcq makes it worse.

        That's from the peer reviewed scholarly literature.

        [–]GST893 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Big pharma does own AMA and Cochrane! Eat shit and die shill.

        [–]ActuallyNot[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        The AMA is a professional association. It's owned by it's members. About quarter of a million physicians and medical students.

        Cochrane are often the only organisation holding large pharmaceutical companies to any account, with respect to overstating the effect and safety of their products.

        For instance when Roche was making a killing out of tamiflu during the swine flu pandemic, it was cochrane that raised the alarm that they refused to share their trial data, who published that there was insufficient evidence to support its use. And it was people working for cochrane that started legal proceedings against Roche. Cochrane reviewer sues Roche for claiming Tamiflu could slow flu pandemic.

        They are not owned by big pharma.