Can you please join me in my effort to pray for u/211

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[–]Titanic[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

Not in a state of grace might not work as well as state of grace.

So if 99 of 100 were not, you'd get 99 weaker prayers and 1 strong one.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

So if 99 of 100 were not, you'd get 99 weaker prayers and 1 strong one.

Neither the strong ones nor the weak ones made a difference that was measurable.

[–]Titanic[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

We don't know how many were strong and how many were weak

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

That's right. We only know that none of them worked better than not praying.

If you want to help people, you really need to find some tangible way to do it.

[–]Titanic[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Well if you repeat the study and ask people if they are obeying church teaching and doctrine and believe themselves to be in the state of grace and then try it again, then I'd be very curious to see.

It could be that the prayers were just too weak for God to change the course of history over.

Or maybe the prayers weren't genuine and they just did what they were told.

On the other hand, and this is unfalsifiable so take it with a grain of salt, maybe doing the test pissed God off because he says right in the bible that he hates being put to the test, and so he deliberately ignored it.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Or maybe prayer doesn't work, and if you want to do some good in the world, you have to get off your knees and actually do something yourself.

That's the most likely because the data doesn't support some prayers working, and god getting upset at being tested and so letting people suffer instead is too fragile an ego for the omniscient and all powerful. As well as being too spiteful for the all loving.

[–]Cantbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

If prayer doesn't work, then why did I find a penny on the way to work this morning after staying up praying to God all night that I wouldn't have to go to the office and see that fucking kike hag secretary Peggy's face after she rudely rejected my offer of a Dos Equis and a film at my abode?

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Don't know. But say "hi" to penny for me.

The study only shows that praying for other people doesn't affect their health, (or fertility). Praying for a penny may work.

[–]Cantbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Well figure it out please!! GOSH

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Nah, I need too many people to pray and not pray for a penny. And with opportunities like that, how would you prevent the control group from praying for a penny and not telling you about it?

The study is impossible to design.

You need something that people don't want for themselves so that you know that the control group won't cheat. Like peace in the middle east or the end of famines in Africa or South East Asia. I assume from the way that's not better now after the better part of 100 years that no one has prayed for any improvement in that.