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[–]thoughtcriminal 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (41 children)

I only glanced through the comments but I see at least 2 comments from you calling others stupid/idiotic as well as some ad hominem. That being said, the person you were talking to was also conversing in the lower tiers of the POD so I don't think that should result in a ban personally. You weren't really dragging the conversion down the pyramid, it was already in the gutters to start with.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (40 children)

Thanks for addressing the prompt. The terms stupid and idiotic were directed only at comments, not to the user. My point in all responses is the same: one can say whatever they want about a comment, but not about the user. Responses to me by one user were only personal attacks, without any discussion of the topic. It's continued for over 14 months. Thus - if anyone wants to discuss Saidit and the POD, and the way to keep users (in general), this is a central problem on Saidit that's the reason for not keeping users: allow any comments about comments, but not comments that attack users (which is bottom POD).

[–]AXXA 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (39 children)

your comment is retarded

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Oh my god, that was gold! Perfect reply.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (37 children)

The perfect response from you, AXXA.

[–]AXXA 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (36 children)

I was actually on your side until you wrote that comment. I had upvoted your post too but I took my vote back because of it. Forget about legalistic interpretations of the PoD and just try being nice to people.

For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Matthew-Chapter-5/

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (30 children)

A double-standard. Normal visitors face personal attacks from Saiditors constantly, and when there is a normal person response to the abusive Saiditors, mods are critical of the normal folks, without having any interest in the torrent of abuses - mainly personal insults - from a handful of bad faith mentally ill assholes. You, AXXA, are one of the people my question is directed to, because you - I thought - understood the problems. A potential solution is to use the Bible for guidance and focus on the sin, rather than the sinner (that mods address personal insults, but not criticisms of comments). This I think is a way forward, and yet I see that no one seems to understand this or care about it, or both. Saidit won't grow because of it.

[–]AXXA 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Are you completely unaware of the double-standard here?

But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Matthew-Chapter-5/

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Nice - but out of context. Jesus, the Buddha, Zoroaster, God and others clarify that:

You have every right to defend yourself from the attacks of others, even if that defense is with the use of force to repel the other.

You do NOT have the right to attack others. (This is allowed at Saidit, but only for some.)

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (27 children)

Sins:

  1. ban evasion
  2. downward hypocrisy
  3. downward lying
  4. downward sealioning
  5. downward shilling
  6. supporting economic tyranny
  7. supporting government tyranny
  8. supporting media tyranny
  9. supporting medical tyranny
  10. supporting totalitarian (commie + fascist) tyranny

I could go on.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (26 children)

...with more insane comments...

[–]AXXA[A] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (24 children)

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

There it is. I refer to insane comments. I did not call anyone a name. THIS is what Saidit can allow.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Good commandments, ahead of this quotation in Matthew 5:3-19, some of which I should quote here, but directly to my point about one's comment/'sin', rather than the 'sinner' - so to speak - Ezekial 33:11 is a helpful source:

Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Ezekial 33:11 is a helpful source: Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Indeed socks, so smarten up, repent your idolatry of authoritarianism, worshiping the proven liar media, proven corrupt mafia governments, and proven harmful big pharma - and stop sealioning, stop shilling, stop lying, stop defending those corrupt with power, and wake up. That's simply all I've ever wanted of you - or keep your evil ways and just leave SaidIt.

Sooner or later the paradigm shift will happen. Either you can shift yourself, or you will be shifted. These are often unpleasant, but after the strain the former is empowering, while the later you've learned nothing.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You're blocked - so you won't get replies - except for this one - which is that you've definitely misinterpreted Ezekial

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

You're blocked - so you won't get replies - except for this one - which is that you've definitely misinterpreted Ezekial

socks has finally blocked me, allegedly. Ping /u/d3rr.

It's sad that he won't see me point out that I did not interpret nor misinterpret Ezekial, and he seems adamant to remain intentionally "ignorant" and in denial of his support for authoritarian evil. Bad faith gonna bad faith.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

praise be!

[–]Chipit 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

It's been obvious for quite some time that the socks account is not here to have conversations in good faith, it's here to disrupt and demoralize site users, goad people into bad reactions, and start divisive drama. You know, like this post.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Where ya been Chippy? Doesn't seem the same without you.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Backstory: The discussion is linked with the post, above. I find this interesting. No reason was given for the ban. To answer the OP's prompt, I note that people should not attack other users and their actions, and that this will help Saidit grow and develop. Responses to this by one user were entirely personal attacks against me. I noted that the comments were breaking rules and have been for 14 months, and caused problems on Saidit, and thus comments like those are in bad fait and are rather stupid. (I was careful not t attack the user, because that's exactly what he wanted me to do, as he deliberately operated in bad faith with his attacks, as always. It's of course in bad faith to make a post like that, while attacking users personally (ad hominim and name calling) in the original post, in the comments, and again in the chat box (at that time - something about me being the spooky "enemy within"). The user knows he'll never be banned. He tries regularly to get users banned and constantly attacks people. I appreciate that this may not be something users want to discuss, but if one wants to discuss the potential growth or death of Saidit, there is an interesting problem here about mod abuse, abuses of users, and the site rules, which are often addressed unfairly.

in any event - unless you want to discuss mod abuse - forget about the other user and me, and instead consider an otherwise good question about Saidit:

If anyone wants to discuss Saidit and the POD, and the way to keep users (in general), is it possible that a central problem that resulted in the loss of new Saiditors can be corrected with one rule: allow any comments about comments, but not comments that attack users?

I know many here will likely tell me to go away and to leave Saidit - but perhaps it's worth asking, not for my sake, but for the sake of Saidit in general: isn't this kind of mod abuse the reason why you left Reddit? What if this happened to you also on Saidit? (Consider that there are also users who were banned from Reddit who continue their personal attacks at Saidit.) Do you think this kind of abuse is one of the reasons that users leave Saidit? Would you otherwise like Saidit to remain as-is and for me to STFU and GTFO? I should note that this post isn't about me, but a sort of 'part two' of the question about what will help Saidit grow and develop. Genuinely curious if anyone has an opinion on this.

[–]IkeConn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Well you could create your own sub(s) and do a retaliation ban. Anyone can be a mod. Just create a sub.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks. I have been a mod of several subs here. The only sub I moderate now is /s/shitpostnews . I think my proposal for dealing with mod abuse would help Saidit grow, but no one seems to understand or want it. I'll leave it at that.

[–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well OK then.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

Proof of mod abuse, and the usual idiocy, continuing to make Saidit a patriots.win step daughter, what Reddit readers of your comments have called, quote, a paranoid schizo circle jerk of right-wing nutjobs. Saidit won't develop with the usual abuses.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

continuing to make Saidit a patriots.win step daughter

you mean continue to turn this place into a popular high traffic site? hahhaha. being even more milquetoast here won't help anything.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

/s/Milquetoast for breakfast.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The opposite: allow users to say whatever they want about comments, but not about other users. The latter problem is already part of the rules, but not enforced for some users. The current mod abuse makes Saidit milquetoast, and it's why many users have left. They've felt too constrained by snowflake modding of upper level POD, and that they did not really have free speech, and that they were constantly abused by users who easily got away with it while others got ban warnings.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah fair. But I don't believe there is rampant mod abuse here. You are an outlier and seem to find yourself in the crosshairs of drama very often.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You're right - there isn't rampant mod abuse here. To clarify - when there is mod abuse, it kills Saidit by reducing engagement. And it does happen enough to mention here as part of the POD argument and a request to reduce concerns about upper POD schenanigans, while focusing on repeated ad hominim and name calling ('repeated' being the operative word here).

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Trump killed saidit. Effing boot licking republicans.

[–]AXXA 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Reddit readers of your posts have called, quote, a paranoid schizo circle jerk of right-wing nutjobs.

link?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

It was a response to M7 on Reddit 2 or 3 years ago, and again a year or so ago. If you look through his history, and then check the contexts, you'll see several versions of this. I'd look for it, but I can tell already that my time is wasted here.

[–]AXXA 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Your time isn't wasted. Thank you for the response.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I am unable to find the three specific phrases that I recall as responses to M7 on Reddit 2 years ago and a year ago, partially because one cannot search for the text in comments on Saidit, and because M7 made numerous posts 2 years ago about Saidit. But I've found these:

https://www.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/o6ix16/do_we_already_have_a_backup_site_like_rdramas/

https://www.reddit.com/r/saidit/comments/lh2tu1/just_as_bad_as_reddit_lol/

https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/q7nyhl/now_that_ruqqus_is_now_is_on_its_death_bed_was_it/hgkrrzd/

[–]AXXA 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I appreciate you spending the time. I didn't expect that. Thank you.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Time sucked. Those selectively biased postings don't prove anything, by those who clearly can't understand SaidIt's ideas and goals, nor comprehend the corrupt matrix of rigged systems of the ruling class. I'll never be "Right" much less a "rightoid schizo" and I'll never support the "Left" again either.

[–]yabbit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They're the worst bro. I swear to god mods all have the same personalities regadless of whatever website they're on.