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[–]YoMamma[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I would think the gender identity claims are different for everyone who makes them.

I think anyone 18 or above can do whatever they want to themselves, as long as they don't harm others.

The biological argument is much more significant, however, as there are many people who are born with bodies that are - entirely or in part - both male and female. In that case, they have three options: assign themselves the biological sex with the greater percentage in their bodies; choose instead the oposite of this as an identity; or choose instead to be 'non-binary', to identify as two or more sexes.

[–]xoenix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Well we don't agree that all sorts of medical procedures should be legal, privately funded or otherwise (eg. lobotomies.) Though the way healthcare works today, we'll all have to pay for this somehow. Personally I'd rather see us place greater limits on unnecessary plastic surgery, and in particular remove any public funding for it, along with removing any requirements for insurers to cover it.

[–]YoMamma[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The public isn't paying for sex change operations in the US, AFAIK. To my knowledge, insurance won't pay for it. In countries with national health insurance, I know of no gender reassignment support. More on that here.

Labotomies: the last recorded lobotomy in the United States was performed by Dr. Walter Freeman in 1967 and ended in the death of the person on whom it was performed. In Europe, the Soviet Union banned lobotomies in 1950 , a year after inventor Dr. Egas Moniz won the Nobel Prize for medicine..

In the US and other wealthy countries, those born with intersex characteristics normally get that corrected while in infancy. In poorer countries there is no correction of intersex characteristics. There are also medical problems for kids with gender dysphoria, which can be treated in children.

[–]xoenix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Most western countries with public healthcare either fully or partly fund drugs & trans surgery. Canada just paid for a guy to fly to Texas on the taxpayer dime to get an experimental surgery for a fauxgina but keep his dick. He'll probably end up costing us $1M in additional healthcare costs for the rest of his life, however short that may be.

One google search refutes your claim about US insurance. (Obviously they're going to complain it's "too difficult" to access.)

[–]YoMamma[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Thanks for the link. I see that: "it is illegal for your health insurance plan to refuse to cover medically necessary transition-related care."

If I worked for an insurance company, I'd only consider "medically necessary transition-related care" as for infants born with intersex problems. That kind of surgery is done regularly, where - for example - a penis is removed from a female infant (Jamie Lee Curtis supposedly had this done as an infant, but it might only be a rumor). Perhaps hormone therapy for a male infant who accidentally has female characteristics. I cannot think of other medically necessary transition-related care for older children or adults.

[–]xoenix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

TRAs would now threaten you with their suicides.

[–]YoMamma[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It wouldn't work, in my case. I don't have much sympathy for anyone who kills him/herself. It's up to them.