The arrogance of ignorance: Saiditor fails to grasp what water vapor is. Then pauses to suggest rainfall would confuse other people.

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[–]NastyWetSmear 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (22 children)

He's correct. Water vapor condenses into clouds, which becomes visible when they collect enough. It isn't vapor itself. It's kinda petty and pedantic. I suspect you both knew what each other meant, you were just both too busy acting like know-it-all cunts to each other to admit it.

https://ssec.si.edu/stemvisions-blog/what-are-clouds

[–]ActuallyNot[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

He's correct.

No he's wrong. He says that water vapor reflects "heat" into space.

And he thinks that's why everyone is wrong, and water vapor feedback is negative.

Water vapor condenses into clouds

It can. If it does, it's no longer water vapor.

Part of the reason it's a positive feedback is because a warmer atmosphere will hold more water vapor without it condensing.

I suspect you both knew what each other meant

I suspect he has no idea what i meant. Water vapor is a positive feedback, and he's got no handle on that at all.

I know he's talking about clouds, but he's wrong that that clouds form refutes water vapor feedback. And afaikt he genuinely thinks cloud feedback is negative.

[–]NastyWetSmear 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Oh, sorry, my mistake. I thought you were him. No, You're correct - Clouds aren't "Vapor", they are condensed form that's become liquid.

Still, I think you know what he meant: Cloud cover reduces heat on the surface. Doesn't help much if the whole planet is up by X degrees to have a cloud reduce it by Y degrees, unless that clouds is everywhere... And then you have to worry about permanent clouds and what that means and can do, but, yeah, you both knew what each other meant.

[–]ActuallyNot[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Still, I think you know what he meant: Cloud cover reduces heat on the surface.

He's almost certainly wrong about that too. But to be fair the jury's still out.

But he's certainly wrong that it means that water vapor isn't a powerful greenhouse gas.

you both knew what each other meant.

You give him way to much credit.

He has no idea what i meant. He doesn't get that water vapor is a powerful greenhouse gas.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Siri, what is albedo?

[–]ActuallyNot[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Water vapor is transparent in the visible spectrum.

Water vapor feedback is strongly positive.

The high albedo things in the atmosphere are clouds. Cloud feedback could be either, but it is smaller in magnitude than water vapor feedback.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

what are clouds made of again? I forget.

[–]ActuallyNot[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

A cloud is a mass of water drops or ice crystals suspended in the atmosphere.

Do you forget what "gas" and "liquid" are too?

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Sorry, clouds are what?

[–]ActuallyNot[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Clouds are masses of water drops or ice crystals suspended in the atmosphere.

If you're having trouble understanding the difference between that and water vapor, may I suggest an elementary school science education?

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

and when they condense into clouds, what happens to the sunshine hitting them?

[–]ActuallyNot[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

When "they" condense into clouds ... what is "they"?

Are you asking when clouds condense into clouds?

Because that's fucking stupid.

what happens to the sunshine hitting them?

You assume that sunshine is hitting them. Do you think clouds don't exist at night?

FFS you've gone full retard.

[–]Questionable 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

YOU WIN!

[–]ActuallyNot[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You lose.

[–]Questionable 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw1GxIQqp84&t=4728s

[–]ActuallyNot[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Still lose.

[–]hfxB0oyA 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And that's how science is performed in 2024!

[–]zyxzevn🐈‍⬛ 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Indeed, too many cunts on saiddit.
But no women!

[–]ActuallyNot[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You wouldn't have thought is possible, but the climate science deniers in here are actually getting dumber.

[–]ActuallyNot[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Oh my god. They're coming in crowds: https://saidit.net/s/environment/comments/c9zz/latest_environmental_catastrophe_the_earth_is/15g6o

[–]Bitch-Im-a-cow 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Thanks for your comments. The flood of climate change-denying disinformation propagates unhindered at Twitter and elsewhere, much like the anti-vax movement had done with similar networks. We're arguing with people who don't know what facts are. It's incredibly stupid and hostile, of a few million arrogant idiot drones.

[–]TotalAnon1337 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

You're the drone, statist

[–]SMCABwhatever 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Guy who parrots CNN calling people drones. The self awareness of useful idiots is at an all time low.

IF YOU THINK LIKE ME YOU DON'T REPLACE FACTS WITH OPINIONS, IF YOU DON'T THINK LIKE ME YOU ABSOLUTLEY HAVE REPLACED YOUR FACTS WITH OPINIONS!!!!!!

[–]Rah 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Moo

[–]ActuallyNot[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks cow.

They seem to congregate here.

Sigh

[–]Jiminy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

He's correct

[–]ActuallyNot[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Not even close.

Water vapor doesn't reflect heat into space.

It's invisible in the atmosphere.

And water vapor feedback is strongly positive. Perhaps tripling the warming effect of an increase in atmospheric CO2.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

what happens when ther are areosols and lots of water vapor?

[–]ActuallyNot[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Cloud formation doesn't stop water vapor feedback from being strongly positive, because water vapor is a powerful greenhouse gas.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

are you sure the clouds don't affect inwelling radiation or tempreature at the surface, also

[–]ActuallyNot[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I see you're pretending to have misunderstood me.

I said "water vapor feedback is strongly positive".

I didn't say "water vapor feedback is the only feedback".

Do you understand the difference between those two things?

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. One is me dunking on you for you missing the point and the other is you missing it LOL

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thats been debunked

[–]ActuallyNot[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It's been debunked that ... water vapor is invisible?

Or that water vapor is a greenhouse gas?

Because in either case you're talking bullshit.

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evaporation

Evaporation is a type of vaporization that occurs on the surface of a liquid as it changes into the gas phase.[1]

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/chilling-science-evaporative-cooling-with-liquids/

The process of changing a liquid into its gaseous state is called evaporation. Every liquid can be turned into a gas if enough energy is added to the liquid in the form of heat.

Your body makes use of the evaporative process when sweating. Sweat, which consists of 90 percent water, starts to evaporate. The necessary heat of evaporation is extracted from the sweat itself, which leads to a heat transfer from the liquid into the gaseous state. This results in a cooling effect (called evaporative cooling)

[–]ActuallyNot[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Yes. Evaporation is a type of vaporization.

Nevertheless, water vapor is not clouds, and water vapor feedback is strongly positive because water vapor is a strong greenhouse gas.

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud

Please read and comprehend the first paragraph to conclusion. And then explain to us how, when, and where water vapor is relevant to man made climate change, and clouds are not. And then explain to us, how natural water vapor is not bad. Reminder, 71% of the world is covered in oceans and other water

In meteorology, a cloud is an aerosol consisting of a visible mass of miniature liquid droplets, frozen crystals, or other particles suspended in the atmosphere of a planetary body or similar space.[1] Water or various other chemicals may compose the droplets and crystals. On Earth, clouds are formed as a result of saturation of the air when it is cooled to its dew point, or when it gains sufficient moisture (usually in the form of water vapor) from an adjacent source to raise the dew point to the ambient temperature

In short, clouds are not water vapor, and water vapor are not clouds, but clouds are made of of mostly water vapor.

Then feel free to click through and reference your source on water vapor. As that's not what we are finding funny.

Being a component of Earth's hydrosphere and hydrologic cycle, it is particularly abundant in Earth's atmosphere, where it acts as a greenhouse gas and warming feedback, contributing more to total greenhouse effect than non-condensable gases such as carbon dioxide and methane.

Oh no! Man made climate change? Do to Carbon? Again, you are indexing the information, yet you are not thinking about it. Which becomes self evident.

You see, every thing you say, the harder you argue, the more points you bring up, it all disproves man made global warming climate change.

Controlled Opposition

[–]ActuallyNot[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

In short, clouds are not water vapor,

Yes.

and water vapor are not clouds,

Yes

but clouds are made of of mostly water vapor.

No. They are an an aerosol consisting of a visible mass of miniature liquid droplets, frozen crystals, or other particles suspended in the atmosphere of a planetary body or similar space.

They are no part and invisible gas.

Being a component of Earth's hydrosphere and hydrologic cycle, it is particularly abundant in Earth's atmosphere, where it acts as a greenhouse gas and warming feedback, contributing more to total greenhouse effect than non-condensable gases such as carbon dioxide and methane.

Now you're refuting your own comments that is "fucking moronic" that water vapor is a powerful greenhouse gas..

Think about that and let me know when you've changed your opinion about whether water vapor is a powerful greenhouse gas.

Oh no! Man made climate change? Do to Carbon?

Yes.

So long as by "do" you mean "due".

Again, you are indexing the information, yet you are not thinking about it. Which becomes self evident.

One of us isn't.

Are you going to try to construct an argument that CO2 isn't a greenhouse gas because water vapour is strongly positive since it's a powerful greenhouse gas?

All right, go ahead. I'm expecting infantile and wrong: Try to make one that's not so fucking moronoic that it plainly contradicts previous claims that you're basing your arguments on, and almost word for word agrees with what your opposition has been saying.

I'll wait.

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Are you going to try to construct an argument that CO2 isn't a greenhouse gas because water vapour is strongly positive since it's a powerful greenhouse gas?

Why would I do that? The greenhouse effect is simply an aspect of the rain cycle.

Let me know when you stop arguing to win, and start being right for a change.

I'll wait.

[–]ActuallyNot[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Why would I do that? The greenhouse effect is simply an aspect of the rain cycle.

I was trying to work out what your moronic brain was believing when you wrote: Oh no! Man made climate change? Do to Carbon? Again, you are indexing the information, yet you are not thinking about it. Which becomes self evident.

It seemed that you thought that the strong water vapor feedback, (which, contradictorily you think itself is "fucking moronic"), somehow refuted that CO₂ is a greenhouse gas.

Maybe I got lost in the schizophrenic rambling.

What did you mean by Oh no! Man made climate change? Do to Carbon?

The greenhouse effect is simply an aspect of the rain cycle.

There are many greenhouse gasses. The most important one driving the current climate change is CO₂.

The most important feedback is H₂O.

If you don't understand the difference, it's about residence time in the atmosphere. If you inject CO₂ into the atmosphere, it changes the climate because it's there 300 years later, still behaving as a greenhouse gas. If you inject H₂O into the atmosphere, it changes the weather, you get a bit more rain over the next 2 weeks, because the residence time in the atmosphere is about 10 days.

But a warmer atmosphere will have on average more water vapor in it, so as the atmosphere warms, water vapor is an important positive feedback.

Water vapour: feedback or forcing?

Let me know when you stop arguing to win, and start being right for a change.

Everything I've said about climate change here is right.

On the other hand, your own quote agrees with me that water vapor is a powerful greenhouse gas. But your're so focussed on being right that you haven't even seen that yet, and changed your "fucking moronic" position.

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Maybe I got lost in the schizophrenic rambling.

You put up a wall of text every time I reply. It's like being trapped on a bus with an overdose victim of Adderall.

If true. Seek medical help.

I'll wait.

[–]ActuallyNot[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You put up a wall of text every time I reply. It's like being trapped on a bus with an overdose victim of Adderall.

  • What did you mean by "Oh no! Man made climate change? Do to Carbon?"

  • The greenhouse effect is not simply an aspect of the rain cycle. There are many greenhouse gases. CO₂ is the most important driver of the current climate change.

  • You've posted evidence that you're wrong to claim that that fact that "Water vapor is a powerful greenhouse gas" is "Fucking moronic".

    • It's telling that you haven't noticed, but have taken time to accuse me of "trying to win" instead of being right.

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

https://www.goodrx.com/adderall/adderall-overdose

[–]ActuallyNot[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

OMFSM, you were just saying "Let me know when you stop arguing to win, and start being right for a change"

And now you're desperately squirming like a worm on a hook to shut down the conversation after all the evidence, even yours, is showing water vapor to be a greenhouse gas.

A partisan so biased that they can't absorb their own facts, is as pathetic as:

  • the person who claims that "water vapor is a greenhouse gas" is "fucking moronic", and then tries to prove it by claiming "but clouds are made of of mostly water vapor" ... while quoting a source that shows that to be false.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10902096/

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I'll take the opportunity of a relatively (for saidit) popular post to direct people to a website where they can find actual weather science, vs. the simulated fearpanic-inducing reporting OP likes to read from MSNBC et.al.:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/

[–]ActuallyNot[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Follow the money. Wattsup is a fossil fuel industry funded misinformation site.

This is also obvious from their content. Misinformation about the science. But also scientifically unrelated articles against the transition to renewable energy.

There are websites where scientists discuss actual science with the public.

https://www.realclimate.org/

Has very well regarded contributors from the scientific community.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

LMAO tell me you don't browse the site but use different words

[–]ActuallyNot[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

LMAO.

Tell me you're wrong about everything about climate science, but use different words.

So you would be surprised to know I commented regularly on WUWT until I was banned for speaking the truth to the serial liar Monkton there?

I don't see why that would surprise you. It's not like I don't engage with climate science deniers online. I take it you just didn't think it through?

Much like your other comments?

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

commenting on a website makes me an expert. they banned me for being right'

is really not the flex you think it is

[–]ActuallyNot[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's not what I said, though was it.

I said, that you were wrong again that I don't browse the site.

You must have missed it because being wrong is so BAU for you it didn't stand out.

I did not imply that commenting on a website makes me an expert.

So you're wrong about that too.

Situation normal.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I miss every point you make

Situation normal, indeed