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[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

I nominate in the clouds.

A humble guy who posts his goings on and writes inspiring shit.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

100% agree. /u/in-the-clouds He told me to start talking to God and honestly changed my life.

[–]youfuckingtwat 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

best comment I've read on Saidit in a long time

[–]neolib 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Do you think it's great that one person infected another with a memetic virus? That's basically what proselytism is. Maybe sometimes it's for the better, but still from a point of view of a non-religious person it's iffy ethically.

[–]youfuckingtwat 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Good question, though I only see religions as dangerous when used by extremists. Yes, that can make a recommendation iffy, ethically, if one is to be part of a group that promotes extremism. For the vast majority, however, it's important to appreciate that we don't have all the answers, that there are times we really should appreciate that a faith in a collective good, or a collective justice that cannot be easily explained, has always been a worthwhile part of the lives of humans, whilst there are also extremely important scientific and mathematical facts that account for much, if not most, of our reality. Where God can help is in matters of faith, inspiration, motivation, belief, emotion, togetherness, philosophy (of religion), recovery, mental health, to change a habit, and in many other aspects of our lives that are not in any obvious way governed by the mathematically or systematically proven laws of nature. Part of Nature is the unexplained, the mysterious, and the so-called the magical aspects of what makes many people innately good or social or faithful or in recognition that we need one another in order to survive or enjoy life. In short, a recognition that we will not know everything and have to trust a higher power for the benefit of some of our lives is a useful and powerful factor in our lives. Those who use religion for extreme purposes are also exposed as frauds by those who are truly open to their faith in God. Indeed, those who are truly open to God's advice should speak loudest against the extremists who want to force others to live or die according to a rigid prescribed fanatical dogma. The original proposals for for several religions account for this appreciation of God as love. Highly organized religions corrupted some aspects of those original propositions. For /u/in-the-clouds to tell /u/Melodic_Programmer to start talking to God, that to me (as a Quaker) is about as pure and honest one can be about one's relationship with a higher power.

[–]neolib 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for a thought-provoking answer. I'm somewhere between atheist and agnostic (I'm not a believer, and I think it's unlikely God exists, and even if God exists it's unlikely any of now existing religions describes him (? what's the correct pronoun? lol) correctly), though I have nothing against personal (non-extremist) religious beliefs in general. And still proselytism doesn't feel like entirely "right thing to do" for me. I mean it's possible you are nudging a person towards a false religion, which doesn't describe God correctly, even if he exists at all. Is that an ethical thing to do?

In context of In-the-clouds/Melodic_Programmer conversation I mean "start talking to God" is okay (no nudging towards a specific religion), using quotes from Bible (as "In-the-clouds" often does) is not okay (implies Christianity is the correct one).