I have a dream that one day there will be zero trannies ever again.

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[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Maybe another analogy will help you understand why it matters.

A small child is told, don't touch the stove, it's hot. A wise child will choose to believe the parent. A foolish one will touch the stove and go to hell for unbelief. Just because you are forced to admit the truth does not mean you get credit for believing in it when you had no choice.

It is not turning to God when you are forced to stand before him at the last day. That is mandated by the King of heaven, not a choice you made.

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

My quote specifically says they will turn "and be saved". The kid will suffer a burn, but will immediately take his hand off the stove and it will heal. He will learn the hard way, but he'll never do it again.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The kid suffers punishment. There you go again missing points. You don't suffer punishments if you wisely choose to believe your heavenly father while you have a choice.

You don't have a choice after you are dead, you just have judgment

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

And where do you get that idea?

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

From my neurotypical ability to apply logical consideration to obvious context clues

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What "obvious clues"? Ancient literature is full of allegory and rarely is anything ever obvious. When we don't understand something we tend to read our preconceived notions into it. You're parroting what you were taught, not what you discovered.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think we're at the point where I give up trying to say the same thing in different ways, and maybe I'll try again on a different point. I'll pray for you bb