Nazi Germany was the first nation to ban vivisection

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[–]Oyveygoyim 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

Who would've thought that the same people would wind up killing 6 trillion jews!!

[–]Alienhunter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

It's kind of a stupid ban if you think about it. Vivisection would already be illegal in most any country under murder or torture laws.

The fact they needed a specific law banning it speaks loads of how fucked up their society was.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Because kosher slaughter requires that the animal be conscious at the time it is killed, it no longer conformed to the law.

https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/2016-04-21/ty-article/.premium/1933-nazis-outlaw-kosher-slaughter/0000017f-e981-dc91-a17f-fd8d21290000

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shechita

[–]Oyveygoyim 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You should make this it's own thread since it's the fuhrer's birthday and all.

[–]Alienhunter 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

Ah they banned vivisection of animals then? Back to Hitler's inclination to be more concerned for the welfare of dogs then Jews I see.

Who gives a shit about vivisection of animals? Nazis I guess. Definitely going to add this to my bad faith argument playbook to use on vegans though.

[–]Oyveygoyim 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

"Back to Hitler's inclination to be more concerned for the welfare of dogs then Jews I see".

Uh...that's common sense to care more about the welfare of dogs and other animals over the scum of the earth.

[–]JewsAreOfColor 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oyveygoyim is a pedophile who jerks his needle-dick off to Bacha Bazi.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Who gives a shit about vivisection of animals? Nazis I guess.

oof, you're gonna get put on a list with that kind of attitude. dissecting anything living is pretty fucked up.

[–]Alienhunter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'll go with the position that experimentation on animals for a positive purpose like furthering scientific or medical knowledge is potentially justified even if it is not particularly humane. It's not optimal or even desirable in all circumstances but it can be a necessary evil. As such I don't get outraged by it for legitimate purposes.

People who fuck up random animals for their perverse pleasure are psychopaths and we are right to be wary of them. That weird kid down the street skinning cats for shits and giggles is just as likely to have the same lack of empathy towards humans and intervention should take place at the point we see the needlessly cruel treatment of the animals.

Of course skinning a cat for shits and giggles is a very different thing than skinning a cat to figure out how skin works so we can develop better and more humane surgical procedures that help humans (and veterinary medicine as well).

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

agreed. and i agree that halal and kosher slaughter happening to this very day don't bother me that much. sorry if i implied that you're a raving sicko ahhaha.

[–]Alienhunter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes I don't much care about the slaughter method for animals intended as food. We are killing the animals anyway however you slice it.

Things like say, the giant industrial chicken shredders are horrific. But I don't think they are particularly inhumane. They aren't being killed for no purpose. And left alive they would starve which prolongs suffering regardless.

Slaughter houses aren't pleasant to think about but I can't see getting morally outraged at the treatment of animals until after we run out of more important issuea to be outraged over.

I'm totally humanist in this view though. I think humans should be supremacist over all other forms of life on the planet. They exist for our benefit and our benefit alone.

That doesn't mean abject cruelty and destruction of animals should be tolerated. But I'm not convinced by any arguments that lesser animal species are entitled to any rights per say. Save maybe a right not to be slaughtered or harassed for no positive humanist purpose.

[–]LarrySwinger2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Murder is defined as the intentional killing of a human being specifically, so vivisection isn't included.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Interesting, thats good stuff. I guess Dr. Mengele didn't get the memo

[–]Oyveygoyim 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The things you've heard about Dr. Mengele are lies.

https://codoh.com/library/document/josef-mengele-the-creation-of-a-myth/en/

[–]LarrySwinger2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Why does this not surprise me.

[–]Oyveygoyim 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Because as we grow older we realize we've been told an endless supply bullshit.

[–]JewsAreOfColor 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oyveygoyim is a pedophile who jerks his needle-dick off to Bacha Bazi.