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[–]jet199Instigatrix 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Exactly. Strawman.

No one is saying 6 million Jews were killed in the camps. It's the total including Jewish soldiers killed.

[–]saiditkang 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Its probably every jew that died for any reason during the war years. Given how much ive seen these people lie in real time, I no longer believe a word they say anymore.

If the actual number was 6 million theyd claim it was 12 million. They already got caught red handed lying for decades about the number killed at aushcwitz, which amazingly never affected the 6 million number.

[–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No one is saying 6 million Jews were killed in the camps.

No, that's exactly what they are saying. That includes the concentration camps, the work camps, the Warsaw ghettos, and the extermination camps, but not regular war deaths of combatants or even civilians. It includes those worked to death in the labour camps, and those gassed in the extermination camps. It includes those who died due to malicious neglect causing famine and disease. It doesn't include combat deaths, or "incidental" civilian deaths due to war or disease.

It also excludes the murders of Jews by Croatia, working on their own without direct Nazi German supervision.

The Holocaust did not just apply to Jews. At least 15 million, probably around 17 million, were murdered by the Nazis, perhaps as many as 20 million. Proportionally, the Gypsies (Roma) were the most heavily persecuted. The Jews weren't even the single largest group: peoples of the Soviet Union were, with about 9 or 10 million murdered. That does not include combat deaths, but it does include around 3 million POWs murdered.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No one is saying 6 million Jews were killed in the camps. It's the total including Jewish soldiers killed.

That's not the mainstream narrative, but it's the most reasonable explanation (together with starvation/disease in the camps) for many of the actual Jewish deaths during WW2.