I have been doing some reading on Jesus

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

It's in the Qur'an.

[–]jingles 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

typically when someone asks "where did he say this", they are looking for a specific reference to a verse..

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://www.islamreligion.com/articles/10454/90-verses-says/

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

That isn't the Quran quotes I posted ig, but I don't think there's any big question the Qur'an doesn't consider Jesus to have been God.

[–]jingles 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Hindus never said that Jesus was god either, but they do enjoy their cow manure festivals.

Islam can get way out in left field also.

https://youtu.be/tsw8Yu7KzBQ

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They're all corrupted religions. This is why we can't have nice things. People get greedy and people get power hungry and they manipulate others to their own end.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Cow manure though, continues to be useful as fertilizer. Jebus is no longer useful as he cannot fertilize crops. Therefore Jebus is less useful than shit.

[–]jingles 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is an element in our online conversations that only seeks to argue and disrupt.

It is an effort by three major groups of shills or disruptors.

Christians used to tell me that Satan is the author of confusion.

Spiritual shower thoughts

[–]In-the-clouds 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

The Koran says Isa (Jesus) ascended up to heaven and will return at the end. Why didn't Muhammad do that?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Not only did they think people floated up to heaven, people thought there was a sky gate that let the rain out.

You ever notice that when everyone started carrying around cell phones with video recorders that all the miracles stopped? There was once a point where you could chalk the mysteries of the Bible up to the supernatural, if you believed. But there's pretty obviously nothing supernatural now that it's so easy to record, and the far more likely explanation is that large parts of the Bible are simply warped or outright falsified.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There's much to be said about modern interpretation also. We mistranslate to the point that it has no relation to the original meaning. The word used to describe Mary was 'virgin', used in the context of a young woman. It is modern English translation that butchers this to mean a woman who has not had sex who went on to give birth. It's nonsense. You could then go on to review other miracles, such as walking on water. Would it not make more sense that he 'found a place to pass' across the water? The story has been warped to the readers choosing. Why people choose to worship the twisted words of the sandpeople I don't know.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Heaven and hell are completely made up and half the words are just transliterations of the original one to hide their meaning. For example if they actually translated the word αποστολος it would undermine the authority of "the apostles", so they can't do that. Almost all versions add "just" or "only" to Jeremiah 7:22, because otherwise it is condemning Mosaic law and makes it pretty clear that verse 8:8 is referring to books in our Bible. This one is really going to make some people mad, but the original wording of Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 sounds more like a condemnation of butt sex than homosexual acts, and the word translated "abomination" is associated with unclean and disease-ridden things, it's also used to describe pork. Lots of scandals going on without even getting into the blatant changes and massive interpolations by scribes.

[–]Vulptex 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If anything supernatural happens the mods of this place would make sure it gets deleted from recordings. If you've ever witnessed a Mandela effect you know how all the footage changes but peoples' own notes and drawings stay the same. It's exactly like that, and I think they actually do try to overwrite the timeline so supernatural events never happened, because many but not all of uts effecrs are undone, just like a Mandela effect.

[–]In-the-clouds 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You didn't answer my question.

If Muhammad is the "prophet of Islam" that gave you that Koran you read, then why did he die and get his bones stuck in a tomb, while Jesus had a special status that allowed him, according to the Koran, to rise up into heaven, alive and will return at the end of the world? Why didn't Muhammad get that privilege? Instead, he is dead and remains dead, with his bones on earth. Both Islam and Christianity agree that Jesus is alive, went up to heaven, and will return at the end of the world. If that is not divine, then what is?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Mohammed was just a man who found a cunning way to trick his community into allowing him many revolting privileges. He was just a man, who then died.

Jesus was probably just a man who was like every other Jewish man at the time in that region, causing problems for the Roman empire. He may not have even existed, but instead just representative of the treatment of petty criminals of the time which was to be crucified horribly, at least that's what I gather from Monty Python's the Life of Brian. Well, he died. If he did exit, his bones were probably left somewhere in a cave as was typical of the time. The whole heaven thing is just metaphor, conjecture and hearsay.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

None of that happened.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Instead of claiming that, why don't you just investigate. There are people called apologists you could refer to. What most skeptics do is the fallacy of begging the question.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Instead of believing the unbelievable and supernatural, which I have found no support for in all my years, the remaining answer is simply that men lie for their own benefit. Show me a poor church. They're dens of thieves.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Indeedie. It is the simplest answer based on our experience of humans, who readily cheat and lie for personal gain. 😐