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[–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The assumption there is no designer for the universe is just that. It is an unnatural assumption posited because if there is a designer you are obligated to find out who He is and follow His instructions rather than do whatever you want.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If the universe must have a designer because it is orderly, then the designer is far too orderly to not be designed also. You have the same question, how did the designer come to be. Why is it that you think a God can create itself or exist independently of time, when you have stated the impossibility of this exact scenario for why the universe must have a creator.

This is just kicking the can down the road on the creation question, and violates Occam's razor by adding unneeded layers of complexity.

[–]ephrem_moseley 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

First of all, violating Occam's razor is possible.

Second, have you ever heard of Nick Bostrom's Simulation Argument?

If we are designed, that does not imply that we necessarily have the ability to understand the designer, now does it?