/u/magnora7 needs to RESIGN.

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[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (39 children)

LAME CENSORSHIP /u/magnora7

People need to READ their shit to understand their game.

[–]Comatoast 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (31 children)

Jason, the guy is a serial ban evader and does nothing but start shit.. I should know.

He's directly going against major rules of the site and making every attempt possible to stir things up here, and it's working when any attention is given. It's not worth the time investment. It will run off current and potential users, it's just gone on too far and long. To keep anything that the poster puts here up is to basically let him walk all over the site's admin system, and it makes things look weak on our end.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (13 children)

I am beginning to think he knows exactly what he is doing. Why did the OP mention Jason so many times? Why does he have the same writing style as Jason's posts?

Coincidence?

[–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Lel. That would be hilarious, but he's already trying his damnedest to get rid of all the stuff on his plate. Plus his back's all a-jank now, rendering him further. A funny mental image of puppet strings comes to mind though.

I think we all wish that we could aspire to the frothy mouthed tenacity (and mental energy) it takes the guy(s) to keep them coming back after being banned a bajillion times.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

That would be hilarious, but he's already trying his damnedest to get rid of all the stuff on his plate.

Not really, he keeps taking on more and more, and always seems to show up during these dramafests to stir the pot.

[–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

I think that's more to distract himself from what he's SUPPOSED to be working on, maybe. Or at least that's how I work. All the calls and texts that I've ignored, even housework suddenly becomes more interesting when I'm trying to avoid shit I don't want to do.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

I think that's more to distract himself from what he's SUPPOSED to be working on, maybe.

Hours every day for 3 years? C'mon

[–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Well, yeah. There's always time to avoid things in pursuit of conversations you can't really have with the majority of people in society. Especially if you feel like you're getting closer to some kind of truth with it, or sharing something you feel like is valid I would imagine.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

If you say so. He seems to spend most of his time collecting subs like baseball cards, quadruple-posting links, and stirring drama any time it pops up. Doesn't paint a good picture

[–]Comatoast 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

He's posting the links in several places because they're relevant to the sub though, right? It just kinda comes across as shitting up the /new area because we see it all at once there instead of just in the sub as intended. He wants to be helpful and manage all of those things too, but then there's the whole aspect of time and generally biting off more than one can chew.

Most of us are guilty here of being drawn to the turd cauldron of drama. It's part of the draw sometimes, a feature one might say.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Why did OP mention Jason so many times?

Did they? I don’t wanna get Jason in trouble here lol.

They mentioned Jason first, and twisted Jason’s stance very nefariously. That was a major crux of their argument - “one of your main, loyal users is now doubting you” (bullshit), I called it out and mentioned Jason (as well as the other users) in my comment, and this was when the thread was new.

I said exactly what Jason did, just much shorter lol. That’s when Jason came in and said they were full of shit (you know Jason is going to defend himself) and they went back at Jason.

Jason also said something very important about mental health imo, you really think there’s foul play going on? Jason didn’t enter this thread until at least 5-6 hours of it being posted, me 2 hours.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Agreed. But IMO we need to study their tactics. They've been trying (and failing) to psychologically demotivate and manipulate me for days. They've also been exposing their tricks. I can see how some people have gotten very upset by them, and I've even been suckered in, but with experience comes wisdom and defenses. SaidIt needs /s/InfiltratorWatch or something like that, maybe not a sub, but some way to train people to be aware of their shit.

Yes, don't feed the trolls. But how would we spot trolls if we're ignorant of them and their tactics?

Yes, I've been largely absent for a month and a half or more (back pain), posting but not interacting, but SaidIt has not fundamentally changed aside from a few bans and my new awareness of this campaign as described by M7 upon his return.

Freedom ain't free. We need to fight for it. People need to know how to fight for it. You don't come to SaidIt for pictures of flowers and puppies. I don't believe being aware of and fighting trolls will run off users.

To keep a perfect example of their attempted psychological manipulation is critical. Now I can NO LONGER point here to show their tricks because it's been censored.

Bad posts are not uncommon and that does not reflect weak leadership. That's NOT new. I don't believe for one minute that keeping some examples to learn from reflects poorly on M7. But censorship does. There's a distinction between censorship and banishment. Ban the fuckers to hell but let their shit be a lesson.

[–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Check messages in about 5 minutes

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

When deliberately malicious posts are a good portion of the front page every single day, what's the point in leaving them up? Just make this site look foolish, every single day?

Funny, that's exactly what the trolls openly say they want! Why are you repeatedly promoting their agenda? Do you want to ruin saidit?

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Give me a fucking break. OBVIOUSLY I hadn't seen any of their shit before. I did NOT know. HOW the fuck is anyone ELSE suppose to know if there's not an example, or more specifically, a good example IMO that we can at least point to. I don't mind being the goofball who fell into this trap as long as it serves an educational purpose. THAT was the very reason I bothered to counter the their bullshit and why I asked for THIS one NOT to be censored.

I do NOT want to run SaidIt. I/We want SAIDIT to openly run SaidIt more democratically, under your wisdom, guidance and veto.

Bonus: I do NOT want a pure democracy that can be gamed. I, and others like me, want you to pick your team to help you.

I recently gave away 20+ subs and invited a couple dozen of the best people, to my knowledge, I know of here, not intentionally overlooking at least another dozen.

I'm sure you've got your faves. Start there, ask them for their faves, discuss and collaborate and reach a consensus. There's no shame in being dismissed from that team as it should be an honour for anyone to even be considered. With a consensus of 100% agreement, you can develop your own policies of how you self organize and such - and you obviously have veto power which I would hope you'd justify assuming you ever use it.

With or without me as team advisor, as you see fit. I'm not reliable nor regular in general, and soon I plan to be doing other interactive community building projects on SaidIt that are not current-events-based. I can't even keep up with current events now.

None of this is new. I wouldn't keep saying it if I didn't believe it. If there's something better I'd be repeating that.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (12 children)

Don't have a breakdown Jason. I know you have those sometimes.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

ROTFL <- First time ever using this!

Now who's trolling? I've never had a breakdown. I'm bipolar. I have moods. It may not matter to you but the distinction is profound and clear. In a nutshell, pun intended, I had a life, 2008 crash and Big Pharma stole that, I crawled out of that and survived. I'm much poorer but much stronger and more confident than ever now, and like before all that, accept my strengths and weaknesses, though now I'm much more informed about mental illness, as well as the levers of power.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

Now who's trolling?

You were trolling before? That's good to know.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Seriously? You just accused me of being on the troll's side. This is the kind of shit you pull when YOU have your meltdowns and accuse people of lying and/or ban them. Don't be childish in a serious discussion if you want to be taken seriously. Reply if you want, but don't expect an answer today because you need to regain your senses and I'm going to give you the time you need before we continue.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I'm very disappointed in you Jason. I thought you were better than that. I wish I could say I'm surprised.

[–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Well you promote their agenda by crying for them atleast

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

You need to stop feeding the trolls

[–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I will just ignore them now, you notice them anyway

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah just bring them to my attention, that's all that's really needed. Thank you

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

You need to stop censoring.

I already stated in today's post I wasn't going to entertain them further.

They are not the only problem here.

You may be a technically fine admin (I have zero clue), you started SaidIt with terrific intentions, but clearly you lack leadership skills, specifically what's necessary to creatively outflank them. I'm not your man either. But together, as a community, I think we've got much more than just a chance.

Add critical info to the banner or pin a message to the front page. Assemble a trusted team and invite them to come up with stuff. Consider a campaign for user awareness. Proactively do something among the people. As we've both stated, this is more than just trolls - their psychological games and maneuvers are de-motivators in their self-declared war of "attrition". Literally.

Censorship is darkness and doesn't stop anything. Bring up the lights and awareness to better navigate together.

I'm not trying to diminish your power. I'm trying to help you raise your own army to give you more power.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Uh huh. You're being a bit obvious, don't you think?

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Obvious of what? I have no clue what your meaning. I'm trying to be as clear as I can, especially with you who seem to have a huge blind spot. If that's not what you mean then I'm at a loss, unless you're going to ban me now. If you don't want a public discussion there are private messages. I prefer to speak openly, in the open, and that's not news - to you or others. I'm an open book. That's why they harvested my words thinking they could use them against me. It's also why people appreciate my candor.